Everyone seems to hate Rebuild Rei and Rei Q compared to NGE.
What's the general thought on Shikinami vs Soryu?
I have seen people say She is Anno's favorite, and that's why she became a better character, well everyone shit on Rei.
I mean Shikinami is obviously a lot more shallow then Soryu, simply because of the movie format. But they really trivalized most of her issues, and just made her kind of a loner.
In 2.0 she had a crush on Shinji, and worked on trusting people sorta. Shinji and Shikinami probably could have hooked up pretty early and had a mostly normal stable relationship, something would have taken years of therapy for Shinji and Soryu.
Outside of that though, Shikinamis entire character is basically defined by Shinji at this point. Sure she does get some pretty badass fight scenes, but other then that, she feels like she is only there for Shinji to win her back. Even the few pieces of dialog Mari gets are about Shinji and Asuka.
They basically got rid of all of Soryu's flaws and made her into a super badass waifu.
Do Asukafags hate Shikinami as much as Reifags hate Q? Do you think they can both co-exist with out ruining the other?
>>117488987
>What's the general thought on Shikinami vs Soryu?
Soryu >>>>>>>>>>>> dog shit >>>>>>> Shikinami
There you go
Shikinami is only good for giving Asuka more fanart
I've watched NGE, EoE, and the Rebuild movies multiple times, and I'm still not sure what the difference is
2.0 Shikinami is a lot like second quarter Soryu anyway, except with more waifuing. I don't think it's degradation of the character considering 2.0 Shinji got legitimately buffed up on badass.
3.0 doesn't exist.
Shikinami > Soryu
I like both. I don't get what people think are so different.
While I am aware I don't speak for every Asuka fan, I don't hate Shikinami. Soryu is undeniably the superior Asuka, but I don't have to hate Shikinami. They're both still Asuka.
After all, there are plenty of other things about Rebuild to hate.
>>117489107
Shikinami revolves around Shinji, whether Shinji is not on screen or on screen, she will be saying
>baka Shinji
She is a flawless character and more waifu-like than Soryu, who was fucked up and often tolerable
de-emphasizing asuka was probably a good call, she was possibly the most annoying aspect of the original series
>>117488987
mari is worst but prettiest
I like the new outfits and badass fight scenes. I'm good.
Asuka's gonna get screentime in 4.0 along with Shinji so Rebuild is working out well.
>>117488987
>Everyone hate Rebuild Rei
Excuse me, what? Rebuild Rei is the best
>blocking Asuka's slap
Rei Q is hated so much because she's not Rebuild Rei.
The only character in Rebuild that's on par with the original is Kaji, because he died before Anno had a chance to shit all over him in 3.0.
>>117489312
>being this shallow
>implying anything good will come out of her screentime with Shinji
>>117489420
>implying it won't
Anno does not disappoint.
>>117489257
Did you ever watch NGE? Because Soryu was an entirely different character save for tsundere antics.
>>117489420
the end of the rebuild of the end of evangelions rebuilt end will come of it
returning it to the return to nothingnesses return to nothing nothing return return nothing return 4.44
>>117489453
Yeah that time he killed her off in 2.22 to replace her with Mari after a few minutes of lame screentime and Toji level relevance wasn't disappointing at all
>>117489513
3.33 says hello. That was good, and she didn't die in 2.22 either. Not my fault you can't pay attention.
The master will deliver. Manga delivered (in the end), EoE delivered and Rebuild will also deliver.
I'm sitting pretty comfy right now.
How could you possibly hate Shikinami? She's like Asuka with better drive and potential.
>that eyepatch
>that hat
>that fighting drive
>that everything
>>117489513
Her getting crushed and almost dying was just more setup to make Shinji suffer.
Now she has pretty thick plot armor until she and Shinji make up.
Then she could totally bite it, if Anno wants to go dark and weird again.
>>117488987
>she feels like she is only there for Shinji to win her back.
Never gonna happen. Good Luck Shikinami.
>>117489458
The difference is exaggerated. She's Asuka.
>>117489678
>Then she could totally bite it, if Anno wants to go dark and weird again.
>if Anno wants to go dark and weird again.
>if
There is no if about it Anon. He will go weird if he expects the next entry of the series to be a success.
>>117489569
>3.33 says hello.
The film where she had less screentime than fucking 2.22 and was even more irrelevant?
>Manga delivered
Where she got replaced by a totally new character after being sidelined for most of it?
>EoE delivered
Where she got killed by gay angel jesus clones and choked by Shinji?
>Rebuild will also deliver.
Pls
>>117489771
Even if Anno goes dark, Asuka will be there in the end, and there will be a lot of Asuka and Shinji in 4.0. It's gonna be good.
>>117489655
>She's like Asuka with no depth and flaws
Yeah she is pretty bad
>>117489813
*pretty good
>>117488987
>Even the few pieces of dialog Mari gets are about Shinji and Asuka.
Yes she fails the Bechdel test spectacularly
>>117489813
Flaws don't make a character good.
>>117489569
Of course she didn't die, but after being a lame socially awkward girl with a crush on a boy she knew for a week they just threw her out the film for muh Mari. And she was barely in 3.0.
Just watch 4.0 be a Mari film now that they are expanding on her. Asuka has 0 connection to the plot.
Around the time of 2.0 lots of Asukafags were really upset about Shikinami. However, since the fanbase is largely underage they've forgotten that and now embrace Shikinami.
>>117489889
Depth helps, and Shikinami has none.
>>117489889
No but flaws are what made Asuka good.
>>117489889
No but they sure do make them human.
>>117489890
Oh please, Asuka has been clearly defend in the rebuilds, with one of the main writers, Tsurumaki, saying stuff like "I'm an asuka guy so I wouldn't like this scene to go away" we should be worried about Final being an Asuka movie
>>117489927
>>117489944
>>117489945
Flaws don't make a character good. They can just as easily make them worse.
Shikinami has flaws too, but she can get around them somewhat and 4.0 will elaborate on the flaws she has in 3.0.
>>117489981
Yeah he's doing a pretty shit job at giving any kind of relevance or good characterization at all so I wouldn't hold my breath. All she'll be used for is the odd ugly CG fight scene and then die.
She and Shinji don't have a relationship to expand upon and she has no connection to the plot.
>>117489981
Just because she has Tsurumaki's protection and isn't being actively shat on like Rei doesn't mean Rebuild did anything for her character
>>117489926
Not really, Shikinami was voted most popular in several polls. She was always very well liked but some did complain, even I.
They had changed the character and maybe killed it, so I was just worried. Nothing wrong with that.
Now with 3.0 it's clear that it was all good.
>>117490028
>Shikinami has flaws too
Yeah, tsundere stopped being a flaw sometime in the 90's. Soryu had actual flaws.
>4.0 will elaborate on the flaws she has in 3.0.
4.0 might also suck gigantic dick, involve another retarded time-skip and elaborate on nothing
>>117490040
>She and Shinji don't have a relationship to expand upon and she has no connection to the plot.
>angel eyes
>eva pilot that's important
>only real sane pilot left
>holding Shinji's hand and her arc in 3.0 is about Shinji
Reifag pls. Go be mad about how evil tsurumaki is in your own threads.
The Shiro Sagisu thing shows Asuka and Shinji walking in the desert. Gonna be good.
>>117490028
In Asuka's case, her flaws as well as character complexes are what gave people the ability to dig deeper into her character and think about what makes her tick.
Shikinami is a generic tsun waifu. Her biggest flaw is being too moe.
>>117490040
>>117490045
You guys are taking quality over what is in fact there, of course new Asuka is worse in quality than old Asuka, but the point is, new Asuka is made to be popular above all things. She went trough Bardiel and instead of being crippled she got angel suporpower and eternal youth, a new character was added to rival her and in 3.0 she is nothing but Asuka's yuribait sniper who is there to remind the audience that Asushin is still a thing (Fucking hell, she even yells that after Kaworu dies, blaming Shinji for "not saving the princess)
>>117490063
>Now with 3.0 it's clear that it was all good.
Like her getting even less screentime and relevance? Even Mari has more importance at this point.
>>117490102
All I head is bitching and whining from an irrelevant misanthrope. Wait and see.
So far it's great.
>>117490115
She has severe issues stemming from the 14 years she had fighting. You can't pretend it's not there.
What I want from Asuka is fundamentally different from what many other fags want of their favorite character. I don't want her to be happy, I want her to be depressed. I want her to break apart. I want to see her crack. When she's happy and confident, that's just a mask. Her true self doesn't show until that all comes off, and down in the darkest depths, that is where she truly shines.
So Shikinami may have some pretty outfits, and that's cool, but she's not what I want from Asuka. I can only enjoy Shikinami on that surface level as that's really all she's got going for her.
>>117489981
Why would I be worried about getting an Asuka movie? I'd rather get that than a Rei movie.
>>117490143
>she got angel suporpower and eternal youth,
If I wanted power level garbage instead of actual characterisation I would read Anima
>>117490162
She's important enough.
>>117490114
>>holding Shinji's hand
You mean grabbing his wrist?
>>117490192
>So far it's great.
>Rebuild
Just kill yourself
>>117490162
Asuka has been pretty important so far actually. Bringing down Shinji and handling key components for the Wunder. She's used to symbolically say lots of important things, and is the last one standing.
>>117490028
Shikinami is a fucking Mary Sue, Shinji is constantly punished by the plot whenever he don't do what she wants
>>117490162
By this point of time in NGE she was trying to comit suicide and left aside by most of Nerv. In Rebuild she is the ace pilot of the wunder (Mari is under her orders in case you didn't notice) and is constantly brought upon a favorable light
>>117490231
Of course you don't want that shit, you are a sane person, but don't pretend that the shit is there to make Asuka less popular and less important.
Shikinami made me actually like Asuka more than I did.
>Defending Shikinami
You must be above 18 to post here.
ITT: mad Asuka-hater trying to shit on Shikinami because he's mad his waifu got BTFO.
Asuka > *
Also true in Rebuild.
Deal /w it nerds
>>117490114
>reifag
>infuckingplying
>Implying she even got an arc
>implying having her character just being baka shinji is good
She won't even win again because Shinji gayed it up with Kaworu again and he already won. She's can't be a love interest, she can't be plot relevant, she can't even get depth. The only thing to look forward to is some fights but they will be CGshit.
>>117490357
>a hollow fanservice zombie of a character
That's a monument to your own shit taste
>>117488987
Soryu is better because she reacts like a person and not like an anime character.
Shikinami is like something Asuka would write, if Asuka wrote an Eva fanfic about herself.
>>117490398
You watched a different Rebuild than I, Reifag.
>Shikinami
Not my Asuka.
But I can use her to inflict pain upon the Reifags, so she is not worthless.
Shikinami is what Soryu would be if she were inserted into a generic harem show instead of NGE. She has no depth, her backstory is cut down to a 2 second scene where she talks to a handpuppet. Her obsession with becoming mature and earning respect is gone, replaced with a generic tsundere personality. Instead of being her own character, her whole attitude is based off of Shinji. If someone were to think that shikinami is superior in any way, they're a casual when it comes to anime.
>>117490398
See >>117490250
She's been played up.
>At least save the Princess!
>Asuka is the princess
>>117490250
If only. But you know she isn't gonna win after Shinji had his heart stolen by Kaworu again. Asuka is Misato-zoned.
>>117488987
Everyone including me loves it. Two-three vocal Asukafags out of a thousand don't.
We're going to get some really interesting stuff in 3.0+1.0, find out more about Asuka and her past, and maybe even deny that crappy Mari ship at it.
>>117490587
Retarded Kaworufag detected.
>They're just friends
-Megumi Ogata
>inb4 you claim she was just joking because you're butthurt
Do it faggot.
Asuka is going to win again and get some important stuff to do in 4.0, and I'm damned excited.
>>117490587
Yes Shinji is going to stay loyal to his dead love and rebuild the world.
Wait that sounds familiar...
The amount of salt there is gonna be if asuka wins the shinji.i can already feel the tumblr rage
>>117490587
>Asuka is Misato-zoned
This, if it already wasn't obvious with little nods like her rushing while talking on the phone, trying to snap Shinji out of his state and dragging him, or now wearing Misato's old colors (red/purple)
>>117490646
>again
>implying she ever did
Tell me when Shinji ever tells her he loves her in any canon. Asuka isn't going to win, she's too old and haggard. She's a Misato now.
>>117490506
Asuka is her own character in Rebuild though. She's got a long history at WILLE, and has already grown up in a sense. It's fucking awesome, and this is clearly going to get elaborated on in manga and spinoffs.
>>117490398
Well she might not win in the end, her and Shinji's relationship is one of the few plot points that exist anymore.
The entire 3.33 laid the ground work for it, basically everything Asuka and Mari said was about Shini and Asuka.
The movie even went as far as to completely sink Shinji Rei.
She will be a key component to helping Shinji get over his shit. Whether it be platonic or romantic.
>>117490767
>you can't criticize rebuild because every one of it's failings is going to be corrected in some fantasy work that only exists inside my mind
>>117490688
>Kaworu
>dead
>Seriously thinking Anno won't bring back his time traveling immortal waifu
![[Bloat]_The_End_of_Evangelion_[A854019B].mkv_snapshot_01.25.47_[2014.11.26_20.58.22].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5nAViNs.jpg "[Bloat]_The_End_of_Evangelion_[A854019B].mkv_snapshot_01.25.47_[2014.11.26_20.58.22].jpg")
>>117490764
Salty Kaworufag tear delivery coming within a few years.
I'm not an Asuka fag, but I like Soryuu. Shikinami is just a generic tsundere with none of the character traits that made Soryuu interesting.
>>117490821
>no rebuttal
Delusional as always. Asuka has never won anything but Shinji's malice.
>>117490746
>Misato-zoned
>Asuka French kissing Shinji before the final battle
>>117490809
It's already interesting NOW and it's going to get more interesting. I'm hype.
I don't think Asuka in Rebuild is bad at all, I think she's great.
>>117490861
top Leliel
>>117490810
I thought that was obvious, it won't like he'll be a main character though. It'll probably a cameo similar to what he got in EOE, because otherwise it would completely fuck up his big sacrifice in 3.0
>>117490764
She is eternally a 14 year old girl forever.
In mind and body.
Just like Shinji.
>>117490861
Image was the rebuttal Shinji is supposed to choose Asuka, that's the point of Evangelion. That's why homo-boy dies everytime.
Go dry your tears with a homo-doujin.
>>117490872
>I'm hype.
>>117490764
Asuka is actually the only character to ever win in an Eva series, in the Angelic Days manga. Nothing else has ever had a canon pair at the end.
>>117490919
>Shinji is supposed to choose Asuka, that's the point of Evangelion
Are you retarded?
>>117490792
>She will be a key component to helping Shinji get over his shit.
You had a point until here then it went full retard
There's a reason she isn't the character they used to handle Shinji's depression in 3.33, she only makes it worse. Considering she gave up on Shinji back in 2.22, romance is impossible. She like 28.
>b-but k-kaworu will c-come back!
>shikinami a shit and won't win shinji!
This is what Kaworufags ACTUALLY believe. Now we know who's hating on Shikinami ITT. It's the Kaworufags who can smell their defeat already and are being pre-emptively butthurt.
>>117490810
Remember that one time Shinji imagined a normal happy life.
Remember who wasn't there
>>117490863
And dying right after, never to have those affections returned.
>>117490970
Asuka = Symbol of Reality
Kaworu, Rei etcc = Symbols of fantasy
That's why Kaworu always dies and loses.
Besides, Kaworu and Shinji were never more than friends anyway. He wants Asuka romantically.
He just talked to Kaworu because he was desperate.
>>117491007
He was in the girlfriend of steel manga
>>117491019
You don't understand. If that happened no Rei thread could ever hit more then 10 posts without somebody posting that image.
>>117490904
She didn't win there. Shinji wasn't interested at all and never has been into her in the manga whatsoever. Asuka will NEVER win his love. Her chances in rebuild are lower than Mari winning.
>>117490970
If you can't see the obvious as fuck message that One More Final is trying to say then you are retarded
>>117490957
>shitty spinoff
>relevant
Not to mention Shinji was thinking about Kaworu then. The only character Shinji ever admits to falling for in canon is Kaworu. Asuka never won.
Rebuild is shit
>>117491072
>She didn't win there
Just how mad are you at this moment?
They're both Asuka to me. I say this as a long-time Asukafag who's ashamed that some Asukafags just can't deal with changes in character.
Asuka changes, just like a real person. If you don't like Rebuild Asuka, just hand in your Asukafag card. There's nothing wrong with it, and the eva's (except the cat EVA), the fights, and her new role is absolutely amazingly interesting for people who are fans.
Shikinami is a worthy extension of the canon. Rebuild might not be quite there yet.
Both Asukas are pleb tier knockoffs. True patricians only concern themselves with the original.
>>117491072
>this mad Kaworufag
Don't you have shit to do over at /cm/ ?
>>117491040
>literal fanwank
>ignoring the fact that Kaworu is the character who forces Shinji to face reality in 3.0
>Besides, Kaworu and Shinji were never more than friends anyway. He wants Asuka romantically.
Asukafags so desperate they will rewrite the show.
>>117491158
>If you don't like Rebuild Asuka, just hand in your Asukafag card
>There's nothing wrong with it
How about you take your shit opinion and shove it up your ass
>>117491115
That anyone can find the will to live and come back to reality? The whole Shinji "chose Asuka to come back" actually DEFEATS that some message. It's not even true, it's retarded shipperfaggotry
>>117491155
Not mad at all. Did you read a different version where both did not show complete disinterest and went their separate ways?
>>117491132
Its more than Kaworu and Rei have ever gotten
>>117491218
*that message
>>117491203
>who forces Shinji to face reality in 3.0
>by promising him a deus ex machina easy way out of his problem using magic
You Kaworufags are so dumb
>>117491208
Just hand over your Asukafag card. You don't deserve it.
If you won't move on, then just stay out.
>>117491158
>If you don't like incredibly shallow and generic character that looks like Asuka
>You aren't an Asuka fan
>>117491256
Aha
>>117491132
Remember the original Kaworufag? Kaworu's dead, gone, Shinji doesn't give a shit.
Even EoE. Dead, gone, says he loves Asuka and wants to be with her, ends up on the beach with her.
>>117491203
Except that's the canon, kaworufaggot. Deal /w it
>>117491208
Rebuild Asuka is proving to be damned awesome so far. The original is still there, and the new one isn't as developed but is just as good.
>>117491040
Rei and Kaworu are the reasons he comes out of the tang, actually. "Hope for others to understand each other" and "I love you"? They're reminding him of reasons to live.
>>117491218
>Shinji "chose Asuka to come back
Um no I never implied that
>That anyone can find the will to live and come back to reality
If they wish for it, guess who wishes to come back to reality?
>>117491251
Except it was explicitly stated it would not fix everything, his broken relationships or bring the dead back to life. Only help the earth not be red and fucked up anymore.
All Asuka is best Asuka, anyone that disagrees is either a troll or liar.
>>117491266
>>117491208
Guys. Stop being butthurt. Rebuild is a spinoff that shows you Asuka in a cool new light.
Enjoy that part of it, that's what I do.
>>117491246
More than Rei, but Kaworu has always been the winner of the Shinji bowl.
>>117491339
Asuka is alive, Kaworu is dead, and Shinji has all but confessed in instrumentality to Asuka.
Face it Kaworufags, you lost. You lost in the manga, you lost in the original, you lost in EoE, you lost in Angelic Days, you will also lose in Rebuild.
It is known.
>>117491362
>explicitly stated
Actually almost nothing was stated apart from "I know how to fix this." Shinji never questioned how this "fixing" would play out, even the audience doesn't know.
Because Kaworu sucks at explaining things
>>117491320
>says he loves Asuka
This delusion. Don't mix up Retake with the actual show. Shinji said he loved him, not Asuka. And in the manga they are platonic. They didn't end up together.
>>117491320
>Shinji doesn't give a shit.
>Even EoE. Dead, gone, says he loves Asuka
Either you're trolling, full of delusion, or have never watching EoE.
>>117491251
>GAKI SHINJI
>random yelling
*punches glass*
*shoves a foot up his ass when he's catatonic*
That's really helping.
>>117491476
>>117491507
I can feel your sphincters clenching from the fear of losing.
Sasuga Kaworufags.
>>117491433
>It's been more than a fucking decade and Evageeks STILL won't get over their delusions. Holy fucking shit.
>>117490980
She let Rei win, but her feelings didn't go away.
She is still very much hung up on Shinji all through out 3.33.
She made his depression worse because she is socially retarded, always has been ,and it was made worse over the 14 years where he left her byself and she had nothing to do but fight in a war.
>>117491320
>Says he loves Asuka and wants to be with her, ends up on the beach with her
Did you pay attention? The whole point of EoE is that Shinji learns that he wants to interact with other human beings, even if it hurts him. When he decides to embrace reality, he appears back on Earth. Asuka also denied it, so she's there as well. It has nothing to do with him loving her. It certainly has nothing to do with any romantic feelings.
All of you shipperfags are so fucking stupid.
>>117491433
I love how you don't even rebuke the anons point but just reinforce your own fanfic.
>>117491476
>>117491507
Shinji: "I want to be with you Asuka!"
Rewatch EoE some time.
Kaworu's love is always not real, it's a fantasy platonic thing that doesn't exist.
That's why Asuka is there in the end.
Your gay fantasy was only that, a gay fantasy.
>>117491557
>still doesn't understand Kaworu is literally Shinji's Yui
>>117491320
>Remember the original Kaworufag? Kaworu's dead, gone, Shinji doesn't give a shit.
>Even EoE. Dead, gone, says he loves Asuka and wants to be with her, ends up on the beach with her.
Have you watched the whole show? The point of their relationship is that he wants to be loved by her but doesn't bother returning her feelings. He wants someone to give him unconditional love, who can listen to him and give a shit about his problems. Do you really see Asuka doing that? She has her own shit to deal with. She's torn between Kaji and Shinji and hates herself too much to love anyone properly. Shinji could return her feelings in a few years or so if only they hadn't made a point of showing the two of them can never understand each other even after the instrumentality tricks.
>>117491599
>>117491557
Kaworufags, time to buzz off. It's over. The manga, EoE, and soon to be, Rebuild, it's Asuka.
Evoking the big scary "evageeks" boogeyman isn't gong to save you from reality.
You are only gullible suckers that eat up the merchandise as "canon". The canon always have you lose.
>>117491529
Well it's more real than magical spears that make everything worse
>>117491586
>but her feelings didn't go away.
> a random boy she knew for a week or two has her with these feelings
Yeah, sure.
Then she's even more pathetic in addition to being a shit character in Rebuild.
>>117491339
Rei is the hope to understanding others in his heart. Based on his relationship with her he can hope to form bonds with others in the future.
>>117491529
The whole point is that Shinji shouldn't be coddled. He needs to face reality and accept what he has done and that it likely can't be fixed.
Kaworu offered him a sweet fantasy
Asuka is telling him to accept the bitter reality
>>117491664
>Have you watched the whole show?
I watched more than one episode, episode 24.
The point is that Shinji and Asuka are symbolically the ones meant to end up together. That's why it happens every time. Not evne sure why you even TRY to deny this.
In Shinji's ideal world, Kaworu doesn't exist, in NGE.
>>117491619
Now I know you're trolling.
Asuka says directly after that scene he's lying, he's only saying those things so he can run to someone with his problems and she acts accordingly knowing this bullshit.
>>117491555
I feel you backing into a corner because the only thing you have to say Asuka won is based on your own delusions.
I hope you realize every Eva end is kept ambiguous because the motherfucker knows you will spend the next 20 years fighting each-other then buy his latest Eva product in the hope of finally getting some closure.
>>117491667
I'm not a fucking kaworufag. Goddamn, is 'insert character here'fag the only thing you people can do to validate your arguments?
Also, it's implied that asuka wasn't even at the beach when shinji got there. Since it seems he had the time to build a makeshift grave for Misato before noticing Asuka there.
In the end, Shinji didn't have any romantic relationship with any of the characters. That wasn't the focus of the series nor EoE.
>>117491645
>Implying this negates Shinji's feelings for Kaworu
I also love how you completely avoid the fact that Shinji said HE LOVES KAWORU.
>>117491433
>you lost in the original
Except a canon confession and Kaworu is shown to be the one who opens his AT Field, and then is immortalized in his heart. Shinji chokes Asuka selfishlessly, sees her as a side dish (which Asuka herself points out) and she brings him down verbally.
Sadamoto says that the only one Shinji had romantic feelings for was Kaworu, and Shinji even admits to loving him himself.
Shit, this whole thing has got to be bait
>>117491667
>muh winning
>muh Kaworufaggets
You should try providing arguments, because it sure does look like they are 'winning' this one.
>>117491599
>>117491615
>>117491599
>>117491557
Kaworufags will never give up on their gay delusions. Kaworu and Shinji was just Shinji being manipulated at a vulnerable stage. Their relationship never meant anything.
It wasn't real. Asuka and Shinji's were.
>>117491740
>Asuka says directly after that scene he's lying,
The catch here is that Asuka would deny that anyone loves her because of her insecurities.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not advocating any ship. But that whole interaction was them being at their low point and trying to hurt each-other. It's the climax of their selfhatred
>>117491818
Yeah, Kaworu wins because you hold on to some "dear idea" that he loved him, and you can only do that with ONE person in your life.
This is why Kaworufags disgust me. They don't understand human relationships and just want their gay fantasy to validate them.
>>117491799
>Implying this negates Shinji's feelings for Kaworu
No, it just illustrates a point. Shinji "loved" Kaworu, but to truly become happy he needs to let go of him. It isn't rocket surgery.
>>117491712
>The point is that Shinji and Asuka are symbolically the ones meant to end up together.
But they are each other's hedgehogs. I don't know how you can fail to see this. It's spelled for you in the series. They don't understand each other. He had more chances with Rei but only saw her platonically (and she's his mother), but unless you change Asuka's character completely,she can never be with him in a romantic light.
>>117491667
>Shinji says he loves Kaworu in the manga
>Asuka is friendzoned
>Shinji says he loved Kaworu in the anime
>Asuka is fapzoned
>Shinji has a whole film with Kaworu, filled with every romantic trope in the book
>Asuka is Misatozoned
>Asuka
>winning, ever
>>117491794
>>117491824
>I'm not a fucking kaworufag
Asuka and Shinji always end up together, and that constitutes winning. He has to let his childish fantasies (Kaworu) die by killing them, and accept Asuka.
That's the story. If you don't like it, you hate Evangelion and it's message.
>>>/cm/
>>117491938
Yeah, but he can sure be with Kaworu instead right? Without changing Kaworu's character, or you know, reanimating him from the dead? Kaworu is narratively supposed to die, and Kaworu's character wants to die, so you'd have to change that too.
He can only ever be with Asuka. Grow the fuck up.
>>117491698
Well of course, it's bad writing, and constant plot rushing, we never really get to see the characters.
It's silly as fuck that she still has such strong feelings for him after all this time, they didn't build it up at all.
But it is there, basically the only point to her character this time around is wanting to be with Shinji.
Whether she wins or not is up in the air, but it will be a plot point, there was too much build up in 3.33 to just ignore it. Then again after what 3.33 ended up being after 2.22, 3+1 could be about Shinji, Pen Pen, and Kaji starting a boy band.
>>117491901
Sure. He can love Kaworu but also needs to learn to love himself first before accepting others. But it's never been implied Kaworu was a fantasy. It was real. It was so real for him Kaworu is litterally the words 'I love you' to him. He had to kill him because he was an angel, that's all.
>>117491938
>But they are each other's hedgehogs
But that's the whole fucking point. Hedgehogs need to fuck other hedgehogs to make baby hedgehogs. You can go out and fuck the hedgehog clone of your dead mother or a dead alien hedgehog. That's why their relationship is the real one.
>>117491799
>Implying this doesn't negate Shinji's feelings for Kaworu
Shinji's feelings for Kaworu are nothing. Shinji is just desperate and in need of love after losing anyway, him getting that for free highlights how weak Shinji's character actually is.
Their relationship is entirely vapid and meaningless, it's absolutely nothing as far as substance goes and there is nothing between them of value, and that's the point of it.
That's also why Shinji has to kill Kaworu, and re-align with Asuka.
That's the story of NGE, it's the story of the manga, it's the story of the spinoffs and in the next Rebuild movie as well, beyond all likelihood.
>>117492018
>But it's never been implied Kaworu was a fantasy
Kaworu is dead, loving somebody after they died is escapism. If Kaworu survived they might went on to become the first intergalactic homosexual couple, but he died and Shinji needs to move on
>>117491868
Yes, Kaworu "wins" because he is the one Shinji falls in love with. Every time.
Not Asuka. She just gets to appear on the side, with no affection from anyone.
I have only seen 3.0 and Death and Rebirth. Does anyone know where I can find a torrent for the extended version of End of Evangelion?
>>117491940
Kaworu in all is deadzoned
>>117491172
Her and Julian were the worst things about LoGH
>Asukafaggots actually believe Evangelion is about who Shinji sticks his dick into in the end
Fucking unbelievable, no wonder why Anno is so pissed off.
Eva is about people's unwillingness to understand each other, shippingfaggotry is completely irrelevant.
Did Shinji love Kaworu? Yes, because Kaworu provided him with unconditional love. He needed to know what it felt like to be truly loved with no strings attached before he could have his 'epiphany' in the finale. That's it, that's his role. Shinji doesn't love anyone else because he can't love anyone else, he must first learn to love himself which he starts to do/realize at the end.
It's been over a decade and I still need to explain this to stupid as fuck Asukafags. How Disgusting.
>>117492022
>Hedgehogs fuck other Hedgehogs
That's not the fucking point you dingaling. The point is that their spikes push each other away. Anno made a point in EoE to show how they can't possibly have a working relationship with each other, no matter what they do. This is especially reinforced in the last scene with the whole 'How disgusting' line.
>>117492103
>The point is that their spikes push each other away
When they try to fuck each-other. THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT
>>117492084
>Yes, Kaworu "wins" because he is the one Shinji falls in love with. Every time.
That's not winning, that means Kaworu lost since he dies and is out. He's a thing of the past, and Shinji had to forget him (like he did in EoE, the manga and NGE) to move on.
>no affection from anyone.
This Kaworufag delusion. Sorry your shitty husbando dies every time.
>>117492097
>>117492092
>Adam
>angel
>time traveler
You think he can't come back?
>>117492099
>Asukafaggots actually believe Evangelion is about who Shinji sticks his dick into in the end
On a metaphorical level that's exactly what it is.
Will Shinji stick his dick into a real girl or will he masturbate in his room to yaoi and stay a hikki
>>117491995
Kaworu is immortal. Shinji will never end up with Asuka. The character repel each other in NGE and in the manga they were only friends. Rebuild Asuka doesn't have a single chance.
>>117492099
Stay mad. Anno is with us, and against you. Try rewatching EoE and NGE some time, because Anno makes it happen every time, even in spinoffs.
You're the one who needs to accept what NGE is. You shitty fantasy does not apply.
>>117492135
I'm sorry, do youknow how to use your brain?
>>117492077
>If you're wife died you should just stop loving her because it's escapism
I bet you think unconditional love isn't real as well.
>>117492135
>When they try to fuck each other
This is the stupidest thing I've heard all day. You shipperfags can't be this fucking delusional. It's when they try to build a bond with each other. When they try to understand each other. It has fuck-all to do with romance. God damn.
>>117492099
This anon is the only one to fucking get it.
>>117492072
>Shinji's just desperate
Someone who is lonely doesn't deserve love?
You realize that Kaworu is the first to point out his hedgehog's dilemma and insecurity to him and open his heart? Who himself tells him that loneliness can never be cured? How are those bad things?
And, nice projection. Shinji runs back to Asuka BECAUSE he lost Kaworu. Not THAT is desperation.
>highlights how weak Shinji's character actually is
Opinion discarded
>>117492208
>Shinji will never end up with Asuka
>literally ends up with Asuka every time
Kaworu is a gay hugpillow Shinji hugs at when reality scares him, and nothing more. That's why nobody even speaks to Kaworu, he might even just be a figment of Shinji's imagination.
>>117492216
Look at the interviews. Anno loves Asuka as a character, but he never talks about her being with Shinji. He adresses Shinji's relationship for Kaworu a load of times though, and admitted Shinji killing Kaworu could have been avoided.
>>117491938
But that's what they did.
They changed Shikinami and removed all her trauma.
She honestly only exists to be Shinji's girlfriend in rebuild.
I'm not saying it's going to happen, but that's what she is now for better or worse.
>>117492141
>That's not winning
I was under the impression winning was about winning Shinji's love. Something Asuka does not get, ever. Kaworu does though.
>>117492254
>This is the stupidest thing I've heard all day
You do understand I am using "fucking" here as a synonym for being together with others
>>117492265
>That's why nobody even speaks to Kaworu, he might even just be a figment of Shinji's imagination.
You're not trying to hide how delusional you are anymore.
>>117492141
Asuka gets no affection from anyone. Sorry.
Shikinami
Yes
Yes
Yes
>>117492216
>Anno is with us, and against you.
>Asukafans so delusional
>thinking Anno ships his self insert with anyone but Kaworu
Well, at least we know Mari won't win, right?
>>117492278
A lot of things could be avoided, but Anno made them happen to prove a point.
How about you look at the interviews. Reminder that Megumi Ogata confirmed that Kawrou and Shinji are just friends at a recent anime con.
It boggles my mind that even after all these years, people STILL don't understand Kaworu.
Kaworu represents essentially everything wrong with Shinji's mentality. Shinji wants human interaction and love without being hurt, and that is what Kaworu offers. But that isn't what Shinji needs to do. The entire series is about Shinji accepting reality. And in reality, you're not always gonna get that. That is why in both TV and Rebuild, Kaworu dies. As long as Kaworu is alive, Shinji can not grow as a person.
>>117492360
Anno? Nah
Tsurumaki the No.2 in charge of Khara? Very yes.
>>117492278
>Anno loves Asuka as a character
As of Rebuild he said he doesn't know how to write her, which I think should be evident from how terrible Shikinami is.
>>117492391
Maybe someone would consider that if Mari was relevant. At all.
One of the worst things added to the rebuilds.
>>117492391
Asuka, Gendo and Mari will win. I don't see them dying.
>>117492439
By winning I mean ending up with Shinji which is what matters.
>>117492216
>Anno is with us, and against you.
>The biggest Kaworufag at Khara is against Kaworu
Nigga, do you even Iku-chan?
>>117488987
Soryu >>>>>> Shit >>>> Shikinami.
It's hilarious to see Kaworufags base their entire existence on a gay ship that the canon doesn't even support.
You'd think Shinji ending up with Asuka every time would have them take the hint. The poor gullible fujoshi are just being exploited for their fujodollars.
>>117492264
Mad Kaworufag just got told.
>>>/cm/
Their relationship is just a product of Shinji's desperation.
>>117492391
Do we?
>>117492418
>implying Anno will ever allow it
The most Asuka will get are fight scenes and implied yuri.
>>117492360
>who is Tsurumaki
Anno also likes Asuka. He's said so. He's proven so by keeping her relevant in Rebuild.
3.0+1.0 is just going to drive it home even more.
>>117492417
It's Kaworufags thinking a mental delusion is somehow "romantic".
>>117492417
Dude this is a shipping war, we don't use logic, we just fling shit at each other
>>117492479
Well, maybe if Shinji dress himself up like Yui he could actually have a chance with Mari
>>117492475
>>117492360
Reminder that Kaworu is dead and this was necessary.
Reminder that Asuka is being used as a symbol of reality again to tell people what's right and wrong.
Reminder that Asuka is leading the way into the next movie.
Reminder that Kaworu is dead.
Another friendly reminder that you have from the EVA staff official word that Kaworu and Shinji are nothing more than friends.
BEST GIRL
>>117492551
It's happened before so I wouldn't count it out.
>>117492475
>Anno had a thing for Ikuhara but it went nowhere
>Anno moved on and is now married to Moyoco
See where I'm going
>>117492417
>As long as Kaworu is alive, Shinji can not grow as a person.
He's part of why Shinji grows as a person. See the scene in EoE of him with Rei.
Anno himself Saud that Shinji killing Kaworu was a wrong thing. NEG2, which Anno helped write, has a path where Kaworu doesn't die, they have a happy relationship and Shinji is more of a positive and assertive person.
>>117492413
I'm talking about NGE here. To me Kaworu and Shinji are friends in rebuild. It doesn't mean you can't be in love with you friend, but still. Friendship is one of the main themes in Rebuild. Sexual elements have been removed as well.
The point he made is that Kaworu is a suicidal angel and Shinji had to ignore his own wish to save him and save humanity instead. It had never been implied his influence on Shinji was bad at all.
>>117492536
Only Asukafags have to do that because they have nothing but shit to fling considering she loses every time to gary stu angel.
>>117492419
I'm talking strickly NGE. I don't give a fuck about Rebuild and never bothered to study it further.
>>117492628
>He's part of why Shinji grows as a person.
No his DEATH is part of why Shinji grows. Big fucking difference.
If Shinji didn't accept his death he would just become Gendo
>>117492626
Morocco wrote a manga based on Kaworu and Shinji, your point?
>>117492628
>He's part of why Shinji grows as a person.
*regresses
Unhealthy delusions about free love can only lead to one thing, misery. Kaworu betrays Shinji and his feelings, and makes him kill him. Kaworu ruined Shinji as a person.
Arguably also in Rebuild.
Unfortunately fujoshi misinterpret this as some "love story" because they get wet thinking about twice the amount of dicks as normal in the same bed.
>>117492479
>tfw Mari wins theYui
>>117492458
Well Shinji cares about her as much as Asuka. That means she has the same amount of chances.
>>117492530
Anno said he doesn't know how to write her anymore. She is barely relevant and the only one he ships with Shinji is Kaworu.
Isn't that what rebuild is actually all about? making the characters badass and basically flawless? at least that's what they did with shinji and oscar, and poka rei is just a waifu, almost literally.
>>117492657
Fucking typos
*Moyoco
>>117492413
That Ogata snippet has no credible source or validity considering Ogata is always posting Kawoshin shipping faggot all over her twitter. Plus if you want to look towards seiyuu on Kawoshin, what about Asuka's seiyuu, Misato's seiyuu and Rei's seiyuu ALL saying Kaworu is the best person for Shinji and vocally shipping Kawoshin? (For Rei and Misato's, see Evangelion Symphony concert, for Asuka's see her panel at one of the cons in America where she says she wants Kaworu and Shinji married at the end of Rebuild).
And don't even get me started on Khara themselves, where Kaworu is labeled Shinji's same-sex love interest and only love interest in his bio. Neither Asuka nor Rei are described in such a way. See pick related.
And you think Anno doesn't ship Kawoshin? His wife made a Kawoshin doujinshi, you think he won't give her what she wants in 4.0? You are the delusional one.
>>117492631
>It had never been implied his influence on Shinji was bad at all.
It's only directly stated in the anime.
Kaworu comes along, gives Shinji mad delusions that don't make sense, manipulates Shinji and then finally, betrays Shinji and everyone else by becoming his enemy.
He then is cruelly forcing Shinji to kill him. Otherwise he's threatening to end them all.
Kaworu's influence was 100% negative.
This is the canon.
I don't know why karlfags and Asukafags are fighting.
They are both very important people to Shinji.
In NGE him and Asuka were both very attracted to each other but couldn't figure out how to make it work because of their insecurities, but they still had real feelings for each other.
In the manga, they were good friends, and ended up happy with each other.
In the Rebuild, both Shinji, and Asuka are way less retarded, and Asuka REALLY loves Shinji, and Shinji cares deeply for her as a friend, maybe more. This is the first time they might actually have it work.
Karl is always a person who loves Shinji, and Shinji loves him back, but their relationship is always doomed. It's also a little unhealthy, but it does help Shinji in the end.
>>117492626
And Moyoco ships Shinji/Kaworu. Your move, desperate Asukafag.
>>117492694
Are you fucking tripping? Shinji knows Asuka's name to start with
>>117492413
>Reminder that Megumi Ogata confirmed that Kawrou and Shinji are just friends at a recent anime con
Reminder that Miyamura said Asuka doesn't love Shinji at a con. Now you just shot yourself in the foot. And it's true they are friends. But they don't write the characters, and there is plenty of credible statements by head staff that Kaworu is indeed Shinji's love interest.
>>117489731
You are either trolling or being an idiot on purpose. Soryu was fucked up in the head by her traumatic past and how she decided to confront that, Shikinami is pretty much hollow and a loner with nothing of the deep issues Soryu had.
As result Shikinami feels far more hollow and superficial than Soryu and also makes her a more boring character.
>>117492603
Please don't remind me of that shitty beast form thing. It's so fucking stupid.
>>117492693
Reserve lesbian NTR?
>>117492536
>Asukafags are furries.
I'm not surprised.
>>117492602
See >>117492709
>>117492626
Moyoco heavily ships Kawoshin. Look at the Eva calendars and her Kawoshin doujinshi Angelic House.
>>117492709
>That Ogata snippet has no credible source or validity considering Ogata is always posting Kawoshin shipping faggot all over her twitter.
So posting stupid shit on twitter is somehow more valid than a direct statement?
Kaworufags, you are so lost here. The other seiyuus don't matter, they just spout their own fantasies at best, while Ogata here answers a question directly.
You're just being a gullible fujoshit as the rest of the kaworufags and falling for the marketing material Khara sells you. You losers even take calendars as shipping evidence.
Asuka is the one and only, and has always been. Kaworu was always just a side-note, while Asuka the real character and love-interest.
Some snippet from a magazine doesn't prove shit.
>>117492727
>They are both very important people to Shinji.
>Asuka
>important to Shinji
>but they still had real feelings for each other.
This delusion.
>>117492729
>>117492657
>Moyocco Anno is writing the story of Rebuild
What's your point exactly? Because my point was to show how NGE operates the same way the real world does.
Anno got over his crush, bot married and is now a happier person.
>>117492727
Wow someone not-retarded in an Eva thread.
9.7/10 anon, good job.
>>117492802
>Asukafags are furries
>he doesn't understand the joke
>>117492802
Because they ship Kawoshin or whatever you delude yourself to doesn't mean Kaworu is going to win. Moyoco is just Anno's fucking wife.
Kaworufags are desperate enough to use non-canon calendars, merchandise and god knows what else as "evidence".
>>117488987
>simply because of the movie format
Even if we don't take mommy issues as an example, Shikinami is:
Not smug and prideful
Not fun
Doesn't care about being the best pilot
Grumpy autist that avoids crowds as opposed to talkative and naughty attitude of original Asuka
Motivation basically consists of her feelings for Shinji that come out out of nowhere, and fighting because plot requires it, when Sohryu's character was about herself and her ego foremost
Does basically nothing but swearing and fighting in 3.33
Needs Misato to tell her when to go dere as opposed to Sohryu who developed sympathy for Shinji when going through hardships together (magma diver)
Shikinami is dull.
>>117492725
>Kaworu symbolizes the words "I love you" in Shinji's heart as per scene in EoE
>Negative
>>117492860
As expected of Kaworufags.
>>117492770
Miyamura only said "gotten over", it doesn't matter when their characters are still tightly knit.
There is no "I love you" in Rebuild for Kaworu.
Asuka is leading the way. He will find happiness betweenAsuka's legs
Funny...
>>117492820
She does have influence, actually. She's part of Khara staff and that manga has suspicious similarities to Rebuild
>>117492204
dis
so much dis
>>117492890
>EoE
>the TV-series
top kek
Still means Kaworu only affected Shinji negatively.
>>117492804
>magazine
It's from Prano, with Anno interviews. This is official. I'm sorry, but Kaworu IS officially the only love interest.
>>117492945
...how it works
>>117492603
Is it kinky if I say I like girls with pointy teeth?
>>117492985
>giving a fuck about what the author thinks
Cool beans
>>117492883
Soryu might be a better fleshed out character, but Shikinami is much more fun.
>>117492725
>showing Shinji he is loved
>listening to Shinji, offering to spend his time with him
>offers him companionship and makes him open up
>negative
He made Shinji open up, something that no evangelion character ever did. And it was in a good way. You need to understand than in order to love Asuka in the future (if he ever does, and he takes his sweet time) he needs to know love exists. He needs to experience it to know it's out there somewhere and he wants to feel that again, and not necessarily with Kaworu. The problem is that he only wanted to do this with Kaworu, because he never knew Rei and Asuka were capable of loving him in the first place.
>>117492804
There's no source for Ogata's words, they don't make sense considering what she's always posting on her twitter.
Asuka's seiyuu says ASUKA DOESN'T LOVE SHINJI, and that Kaworu is the best for Shinji. Why you're ignoring this seiyuu but praising another seiyuu's 'words' shows your cherrypicking delusions.
Also, show me a credible source on Ogata then.
>>117493036
>Much more fun
>Generic as fuck tsundere in 1.0 and 2.0
>'No fun allowed' the character in 3.0
>>117492883
Shikinami is plenty fun. Haters gonna hate.
>>117492985
Nope, he is only officially "MENTIONED" as one, and "love interest" only means "love interest", nothing more. It's non-binding, and doesn't actually comment on what happens in the show.
The reality of the show is this. Asuka and Shinji together. It's left open for us, not for you, as Kaworu is dead.
QED
>>117493033
Well if you ignore everything official and apply your own fanwank I guess you can reason Asuka won something.
>>117493026
Yeah but that's alright.
>>117493075
Yes Kaworu works as a metaphor for love, he would never work as a real relationship though
>>117492933
>Miyamura only said gotten over
Making shit up, I see. I guess that's what Asukafags will resort to when they're overblown with facts.
>>117493118
And Asuka is never mentioned as one nor does Shinji ever fall for her. Asuka loses every time to Kaworu, that is just how i is.
>>117493155
She said got over, and there's still 4.0 for us, and you're just getting salty at this point.
>>117493094
>I want my moe moe asuka
Cancer. Bet you hated the original too.
>>117493094
>'No fun allowed' the character in 3.0
Asuka...had a hard life.
