Who is the best dressed and why it's Rei?
>>117281371
Best at dressing like an impure fuck doll sure.
>>117281396
She's as pure as driven snow.
>>117281418
I'd plow her snow, if you know what I mean.
Might as well post all the scans.
>>117281600
>>117281637
>>117281664
>>117281371
Is that supposed to be Touji on the left? he looks like a fat ginger kid.
>>117281876
Yes, Touji has that hair color in the manga.
>>117281371
Rei is the best dresser.
>>117281637
Sasuga Sadamoto.
>>117282593
Honda is worse.
>>117281371
Nah, her color combination and skirt fit isn't great. Shinji's probably the best dressed there.
Shinji = Kaworu (both shopped at the same store) > Asuka > Rei >>>>>>> Toji
Seriously what the fuck with Toji's clothes.
>>117281371
Rei the best.
![thugs[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/icAMIIP.jpg "thugs[1].jpg")
>>117282849
He's embracing his Russian heritage.
>>117281371
Because blue on blue with black accents is stunning and it's tailored to flatter her perfectly. Rei a beautiful here.
>>117282849
seriously
it takes some effort to make sure every single color in your outfit is uncoordinated
is it a high level fit im just too fucboi to understand??
>>117281371
I can't enjy this anympre npw that it's Khara art and Kuronami Rei.
She won't ever look good in black anymore.
>>117281371
you spelled Shinji wrong
>>117283158
Toji dresses like your run-of-the-mill straight boy.
>>117284109
i dunno you'd see more blacks and jeans around here than that. prob not a scarf either
its not unsalvageable but its pretty goofy
but i guess if you look at it in the context of middle school standards instead of as an illustration sure
>>117281371
So they all came back and we couldn't get a chapter about that? What the fuck. Guess it doesn't matter since they are reincarnations or some bullshit anyway though.
You arrive in your bedroom and see this, what do?
>>117284739
Kick Asuka and the one on the left out and spend time together with Rei.
>>117283022
Why are they sitting like that?
>>117284739
I think Asuka can appreciate a good 4 waygame of smash
>>117285859
The ground was cold.
>>117285859
Why do birds fly?
>>117286041
Because they don't want to touch the same ground as you.
Why the fuck has noone mentioned Kaworu? His looking fly as fuck
>>117285859
Maybe their butt hurt.
>>117286331
NO YOU FUCKING DON'T
>>117281371
Shinji's the freshest nigga.
>>117286560
>wearing a watch
>trendy
>>117286592
I take it you don't know shit about fashion?
>>117286560
Mari needs to pick better clothing
>>117286670
Preferably ones that turn her invisible and mute.
>>117286670
>Shinji revealing the least
What a good boy.
>>117286723
Why would you want that Anon?
>>117286670
>That height difference
I know Mari is taller, but is there any info on how tall she is?
>>117286670
WHY DO SHINJI'S EYES BOTHER ME SO MUCH, I DONT FUCKING GET IT WELP
>>117286893
Hopefully you won't notice Karl's hair too
>>117286560
shit nigga i would buy that set of clothes shinji's wearing
>>117288424
Well, they are for sale.
>>117288453
fuck me sideways, do they ship to foreign countries? and whats the price?
>>117288570
The clothing collection sold out in like 3 hours, weeks ago. You're going to need to go through http://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/evastore/ if you want to find shit. And no, they probably won't ship outside Japan, you need a shipping proxy.
>>117288570
they don't but some of its on sale here for a ridiculous markup
https://otakumode.com/search?mode=shop&category=&keyword=radio+eva
>>117281371
Because best.
>>117289019
>>117289116
come on japan step it up for us outsiders what the hell..
After years of putting it off, I finally watched Neon Genesis Evangelion and the three films of the Rebuild of Evangelion series.
I have two questions about the third film:
Why did the blonde Dr woman who knew about Ikari's plans all along join Misato's rebellion-group? I thought a third/fourth impact was her goal as well?
Where was Misato's boyfriend in the third film? They never established he died in the second one, did they?
Also, is The End of Evangelion worth watching? I was content with the anime ending so I just moved on to the entirely retold story with modern animation but I figure Asuka's eyepatch is explained in it or something?
>>117291130
1 They didn't know shit.
Only parts of it and Gendo was the sole person who knew it all.
2 Rebuilds are garbage, you watch EOE, not rebuilds.
>>117291130
Some will say that EoE is not worth watching. Others, like me, will urge you to deffinitely go and see it. Right now. Why are you still reading this. Go!
Death & Rebirth is completely skippable though.
>>117291382
>>117291130
all right, I'll do as you say. thank you kind anons.
Still looking forward to the 4th rebuild next year though.
>>117291382
>Some will say that EoE is not worth watching
The fuck kinda people have you been talking to? It's almost always considered the best of the series when Eva comes up.
>>117291382
>Some will say that EoE is not worth watching
Only a troll would say so.
>>117291474
I do see it come up here and there that original ending is way better and EoE only ruined it. I also know personally 2 people who think that.
>>117281371
>>117284109
So Kaworu and Shinji dress fine because they are fags? Make sense.
>>117284317
They would all meet again, but showing Mari was more important I guess.
>Reifags
>Wanting to fuck what's basically a human doll
I pray you all get good taste someday.
>>117281371
Room mates in that special school:
Rei&Asuka
Toji&Kensuke (taking the OP picture)
Karl&Shinji (who sneaked inside a kitten he found in the snow).
>>117293302
>def not the best
Invitation discarded
>>117281371
Literally everybody looks better than her in this picture.
>>117293353
>Karl&Shinji
>tfw Cassino doujins come true
>>117281371
Holy shit, rei's /fa/ as fuck.
>>117292496
>Fifthweel Rei
>>117294533
Because Rei is for me
>>117282646
I came.
is it even worth it to watch the third Rebuild?
>>117294533
>Fifthweel Mari
fixed it for you
>>117294533
You know, there was a time when everyone thought Kaworu was the only non-hetero Evanjellyon.
>>117294696
No.
I actually regret watchin it.
I'd be better off without ever seeing that.
>>117286560
>you will never have a good sense of fashion
When's rebuild 4 and what will it be about?
>>117294727
>Kaworu
You mean Shinji. Shinji's feelings for Kaworu were always clear, it was Kaworu's that weren't.
>>117294696
NGE -> EoE -> 3.0 -> 3.0+1.0 -> 1.0 ->2.0
>>117294773
He straight up tells Shinji that he loves him and was probably born to meet him nigga
>>117284739
*get out sluts, daddy has some funposting to do*
>>117294767
It will be about Shinji crying after Kaworu.
Yes, just that. 2 hours of him crying and screaming and stomping on a sand piramide he made on a beach.
>>117294773
No, Shinji was a redblooded heterosexual male driven to depression by having to choose between his harem of cockhungry colorcoded vaginasaccording to fans since 1995.
http://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/evastore/f20004.html
would you buy this /a/?
>>117294836
I know. But it stills look more ambiguous than Shinji after all the clues EOE gave us.
>>117281371
Shinji > Kaworu >Rei >Touji >Asuka
>>117295126
would go great with my fedora and fingerless gloves
i've been looking to get something to replace my "Drive" jacket, thanks anon ;)
>>117291511
Or a fan of SAO and Log Horizon. They are very protective of their kool aid.
>>117294533
>Fifthweel Rei
Lets be honest here.
Yes, it sucks for Rei fans and other fans who expected Anno, Tsurumaki, and the rest of Khara to showcase Rei Ayanami's fantastic character from the original, and do their best to make a new rendition that was on par with the original.
But then look at the rest. They are shallow, fantasy pandered versions of themselves, their entire character is sold on being homosexual and to be marketed as such to an audience who fetishize same sex couples. Their characters are changed at a whim to pander ceaselessly according to Anno and the rest's own fantasies.
If Rei is the fifth wheel, then perhaps she's a wheel that's best left away from the car or wagon. Maybe there's a little bit of dignity in that.
How does it feel to know Asuka won?
>>117296381
Did she really? Think about what you see there and what it is.
>>117296381
>Cherishing victory by asassination
Yah sure. If you throw Rei out of the story you can actually win.
>>117296381
>How does it feel to know Asuka won?
>式波
>「Q」のアヤナミレイ（仮称）
I'll be honest with you. This means you actually lost. There are two characters there. "ayanamirei (tentative name) 'Q' ", both of which are altered versions of the original. Both shallow characters that no longer represent what either Asuka or Rei from NGE was.
That Asukafags ate up Shikinami, and Reifags rejected Rei Q, is proof that Reifags were the only one of the two that actually cared about the character.
Asukafags only cared about it's sex appeal and cliche cute girl / tsundere attitude.
Even Asukafags have rejected Asuka, and proved that they identify more with their fantasy version of Asuka than the real one.
Asuka might have won the pandering and fanservice contest, but Rei won the moral victory.
>>117296846
Wow, you won a moral contest over loving 2d girls, you must be proud
>>117296976
It's nothing to be proud over, which is why you have to wonder how pathetic those who see "Asuka winning" in that picture as a victory are.
You'll also have to wonder how utterly insecure and butthurt they've been, even at Gainax or Khara to create this new fantasy Evangelion where their favorites will be the most popular in a popularity poll.
>>117296976
>>117296381
One Ayanami figure
ZERO Langley figures
Shitti chibi Ayanamy beats scale Kuronami.
KEKEKEKEK
Enjoy your won Lesbian Shikinami.
>>117296381
Stop being a faggot, this is why we asukafags get a bad anime. And this anon is right >>117296846 Shikinami being the go to Asuka nowadays is not something positive.
>>117294361
Toji looks like his dead mother dressed him.
>>117297481
>yfw you're the only asukafag not as retarded as the rest
sure must be lonely huh
>this is why we asukafags get a bad anime
top freud
Damn I want Kaworu's and Shinji's clothes. Why doesn't Khara make clothes of that instead of the shitty ones they are trying to sell us.
>>117284739
ask them where Misato is
>>117295782
>Asuka might have won the pandering and fanservice contest, but Rei won the moral victory.
The autism in this post is blatant. Are you even trying Anon?
>>117297603
in everyone elses bedroom legs spread
>>117293353
that kitty is so dead
who the fuck is that dude on the left?
>>117300064
He's Freddo, the new guy for 3.0+1.0
>>117300064
Toji. This is from the manga, hinting an after the end scenario.
>>117296846
Shit gets too real whenever this nigga posts.
>>117281371
None of them.
>>117301421
>>117281371
Who is the best format and why is itFuyutsuki?
>>117300599
Shit gets dumb
>>117281371
Gendo. Look at those shades. Stylish as fuck.
>>117301550
>>117301627
It's already dumb.
>>117301736
>Shinji in a beige suit, dark green shirt, and red tie.
Betas gonna dress like betas I guess.
>>117301814
90s Jap fashion. Still, I like Rei's little evening dress.
>>117301814
True. At least he's not dressed like K1.
Why do I like 3.0 for its mystery but yet hate it for the time skip.
Trying to figure out 3rd impact was interesting, but it would of been far more better for the plot and setting if we just got to see it instead.
>>117281371
Best girl is always the best dressed.
Wish I had more well-dressed Asuka. Just about every alternate outfit I find is some sort of fetish-bait.
>>117302118
The sundress is pretty /fa/
>>117302118
>>117302118
Does this count as well dressed?
>>117302029
There's no mystery about 3.0.
It's just Anno and Tsurumaki circlejerking about Kaworu and Asuka and using "mystery" as a smokescreen. That's literally all the timeskip is.
>how do me make aska rook supelior?
>we harf to lemove the lei!
>but how? they wirr see our trickery!
>we introduce.... da timeskip!
>BRIRRIANT ANNO! now people wirrr rike aska more and buy more figure!
and so 3.0 was born
>there are people who still deny that Rei is the best suited for Shinji
>>117302118
Here is some offical art of her as a well dressed nazi officer
>>117302195
I actually like this dress better than her canon yellow sundress.
>>117302196
Works for me.
>>117302206
Cheonsams/Qipaos never fail to make me dick move.
>>117302242
Mwell as a Reifag I can't say that's the case if Shinji doesn't feel attracted to Rei that way. It goes both ways.
That said Rei will make the best girl, wife, world leader and anything nice.
It's just Shinji that has shit taste apparantly.
>>117302255
I liked her look better as a Spehss Nazi.
Theses guys from Eva Racing team should make a yuri doujin featuring Rei, Asuka and Misato.
>>117302242
>there are people who still think that ending up with Shinji is winning.
I wouldn't wish that fate on any worst girl.
>>117302242
Not really. Rei is the warm, safe, motherly contentment of home. But Shinji doesn't need that. He needs the harshness of reality to show him that those few
>>117302118
>>117302382
Fucking auto-post. Didn't finish my thought.
Meant to say Shinji needs the harshness of reality to show him those few moments of kindness as moments to be treasured and not taken for granted. To understand that not everything need be hunky-dory. But that he can face pain and still hold out hope for comfort.
With Rei, he's retreating into his safe-zone where he doesn't have to grow up. But Rei is just a kind fantasy who can give him what he WANTS, but is furthest from what he NEEDs.
>>117302404
Who is the prince?
>>117302382
>motherly
pff
It's like some weird propaganda thing
"women can't ever be warm, protective or otherwise interested in other people's wellbeing unless they're a mother figure"
Who believes this shit? Don't they EVER take a step outside to meet real girls? I bet the above is propagated by a bunch of betas so used to rejection by the opposite sex that they think it's like this for everyone.
If Shinji wasn't so filled with meh taste, he'd put a ring on Rei's finger if he gets the chance.
>>117302476
From a psychiatrists perspective, that's wrong. The last thing Shinji needs in his situation is more harshness. He needs a bit of care and comfort and a stable, secure enviroment to develop in.
Rei needs the same thing pretty much, along with Asuka.
If Rei is safe, stable, hunky-dory and what not, then she's a perfect partner, not romantic necessarily.
>>117302382
Not him (asufag here). I always felt than rei and shinji were made for each other. Asuka on the other way, needs someone with a stronger personality, I don't think anyone on the series would be good to her.
>>117302347
>>117302598
Shinji rejected instrumentality because he'd rather face a harsh truth than accept a comforting lie.
Eva /fa/ thread?
>>117302612
>I don't think anyone on the series would be good to her.
Kanji obviously
>>117302612
>>117302598
That's what Anno wants you to think. But he's from a generation where things like Gundam's Bright Slap were the norm when dealing with kids like Shinji. But Anno doesn't force the Bright Slap on Shinji. Shinji decides he needs the Bright Slap himself.
>>117302705
Sadly I don't have my group images here, but yeah, one can do a /fa/ thread with eva
>>117302689
Instrumentality wasn't life, that's why he rejected it. But no one SHOULD aim for a fucked up world unless they are unsound.
>>117302718
Kaji you mean?
Best choice, but too old, cant be a healthy relationship
>>117302718
But Asuka failed science because she couldn't read the Kanji.
>>117302689
But Rei never was comforting lier.
She's the most honest and trustworthy character, she's almost a fembro and has the biggest balls of them all.
Rei could be his best ally and support on his way towards all the harshness of the world.
She's not an overprotective mother of any sort.
>>117302734
He kind of does force the bright slap continuously. Hell he gets slapped around quite often, even Rei slaps him.
Besides, you miss the point of the bright slap. Amuro was a spoiled kid, almost. His father never hit him. Bright does.
Then you shouldn't take Anno's warped view for the truth. You and I know better.
>>117302689
Yes, but that is a non-relevant issue since not doing it would mean his life would never go on.
>>117302734
>. But Anno doesn't force the Bright Slap on Shinji.
Rei gave him his deserved Bright slap. That shows the fallacy on the "passiveness" argumentation against LRS.
>>117301736
that feel you will never go out with a Christmas party with your waifu Rei dressed like that. I want to die, this world sucks
>>117302908
Anno Bright-Slapped his audience with 3.0 and it was glorious.
>>117301550
>asuka dressed like scully
I never before knew I needed this so badly
>>117302662
>>117302963
While that argument is poor, LRS is sadly not a thing because Shinji doesn't want to it seems. You can't force them.
>>117302982
Not as much as a slap as an admission that he's given up on taking Evangelion seriously. It's a metaphorical slap to the face for those that hoped Rebuild would be a more serious affair. What's done is done, Rebuild is now only for the otaku.
>>117302963
I think that was just showing where Rei's priorities were. Shinji barges into her apartment, sneaks a peek at her naked coming out of the shower, jumps to second base right on top of her, and all he gets is the cold shoulder.
But when he questions his asshole dad? Pop! She gives him five across the eyes.
>>117303064
At least we'll always have the TV show and EoE
>>117303064
At least Sagisu is taking it seriously. The fucking OST is balls to the wall godly.
>>117303127
Meh. Too much of 3.0's soundtrack was just recycled from his older work.
>these shoes
solid fit otherwise
>>117303188
Same with 2.0, really it was Karekano OST.
>>117303188
>The Anthem
>Dark Defender
>Gods Gift
>Scarred and Battled
I didn't recognize most of the OST coming from elsewhere. Examples?
>>117303244
If you want to go weird we can go weird
>>117303341
>>117303389
Shit, forgot to turn off the auto-post. Again.
>>117303292
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3UJOhxdv9Q
It's all from Nadia.
>>117303453
Uh the last thing Shinji needs is to date an alien clone of his mom.
>>117303347
shinji will always be the best girl
And there goes the comfy moment in the thread
>>117303519
Realistically, it's a better option than dating a histrionic bitch that will make both of them miserable, or an adult pedophile or a gay angel that will kill himself at any whim.
That said, Shinji isn't out to date anyone.
>>117303481
Wow. I stand corrected. But I still like the way he expanded on it in the OST.
>>117303481
>>117303481
Not all, there is a lot that is original, God's gift for example.
>>117303519
Shinji needs to love himself before he can learn to love others, same with Asuka.
>>117303453
>>117303496
Holy fuck
>>117303629
What Shinji needs, really what all of them probably need, is just to be in a more healthy environment for a couple years before really broaching the subject of romances
otherwise codependency is basically your best case scenario
>>117303481
To be fair, a lot of Eva's original OST was reworked from Nadia, too.
>>117303783
I think Anno's message amongst it all is that loveis a battlefield.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGVZOLV9SPo
Well, at least Anno didn't turn 3.0 Ayanami into Nobody Dies-tier Ayanami.
>>117303629
If Shinji showed Asuka love, and dicked her a few times, she would probably mellow out, at least towards him, since she won't have to try so hard to get his attention anymore.
Not that he would ever give her the time of day, not with all the suffering he needs to do on a daily basis.
>>117303905
Are you retarded? Pretty sure that would be better.
>>117303947
Half of the fanboys would have loved it, the other half would have sperged even harder at how bad it was.
>>117303905
Rei and Evangelion is over post 3.0. There's no reason to take anything Rei in Rebuild seriously anymore besides as shallow entertainment.
I don't read fanfics but I've seen that one advertised even here, and if my impression is correct (that it's Rei, only she's crazy and fucks people's shit up and whatnot no prisoners taken), then that would be better than Rei Q.
>>117303931
>Asuka just needs penis in her vagina
>then she'd be OK
stay classy asukafags.
>>117303882
I felt it was more tohold the line!love isn't always on time!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csvMrjvl__8
>>117304059
>>117304012
That's better already innit
>>117303931
They could have a fantastic trailer park couple dynamic with a constant cycle of fighting, the police showing up and taking Asuka to the drunk tank and Shinji taking her back every time.
>>117303635
>Anon admitting he was wrong
Is this still the /a/ I know?
>>117304075
But still, in the end, Shinjitook her breath away.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUis9yny_lI
>>117304234
Out of the 3 main people that want to bang him, it's still a better choice then alien mom, or gay alien.
The fuck is with aliens and Shinji.
>>117303931
Shinji doesn't want to show love, he wants to BE loved, that's why he and Asuka are incompatible.
>>117303905
Oh god. I can't decide if that would have been better or worse than Kuronami. I mean... at least Kuronami bears a passing resemblance to Rei. Holy fuck I did not need these memories of that lol so randumb piece of shit.
>>117303481
Is Nadia worth watching?
>>117304405
Anno likes aliens. Remember that in his show just before Eva, Shinji WAS an alien.
>>117303931
>If Shinji showed Asuka love,
You're expecting Shinji to become Kaworu, then? That shows how much you understand his character and his struggle. Getting dicked wouldn't help Asuka's issues either, she needed to get over her mommy issues first and foremost.
>>117304437
Yeah
There are some horrible filler arcs near the middle, from where they told the team to stretch a 2 cour series into twice that length, but the rest of it is fun & enjoyable.
I've never seen the movie they made after the series, but everything I've heard about it has been mixed at best
>>117304421
>Ayanami taking on the Wunder with nothing but her AT Field and a squeaky mallet.
>>117304405
>it's still a better choice then alien mom,
Nah. Alien mom would provide him with a good relationship. Not a trailer park relationship.
>>117304405
Karl is easily the best choice but he can't stop dying.
>>117304337
Are you forgetting aboutthe power of love?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkAVfsw5xSQ
>>117304538
Thanks.
>>117304437
Yes, but it shows its age even more than Eva does at this point. It's mostly much more light-hearted and less serious than Eva, so don't expect that sort of seriousness. It does shit all over itself when Gainax had to outsource a couple of filler arcs because it was so popular they needed more episodes. But the Island arc is forgivable in its badness since there is plenty of good to see, as well as important plot points like the actual Secret of the Blue Water. The African village arc is cancer on the rest of the series.
Still, it's very Anno, so a lot of the characters have very glaring flaws. Notably Nadia herself, but, like Anno's other shows, there's a lot of depth to them all. And the finale is Anno to the core.
>>117286893
>>117304629
What are you doing and why are you doing it?
>>117304551
God, it was so bad. I don't think that guy understood a single thing about a single character in all of Eva.
>>117304651
just remember, grandis a best
>>117304689
>>117304405
Talking about the manga? Asuka doesn't want him there. She's all for the Kaji Dick and Shinji ships them.
>>117304575
Maybe as a supporting sister.
Don't stick your dick in an alien clone of your mom, shit won't end well.
>>117304538
Oh, didn't see this.
FUCK THAT MOVIE WITH A RUSTY FUCKING RAZOR.
Do NOT watch it. It's a terrible cash-grab by NHK that didn't involve Anno or Gianax. All it was was a terrible attempt to squeeze a little bit of extra money with a horribly-written and horribly-animated pile of shit.
>>117304740
Yes she was.
http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~d_svoisk/shinji/
>>117304688
>>117304740
Thanks guys.Why is this thread so nice compared to all other eva-threads?
>>117304834
Who says it won't end well?
>>117304941
Not as much waifu warring. As a Reifag, I like seeing that we and the Asukafags aren't fighting right now. Asuka is a great girl. All NGEs are great girls.
>>117304629
Shinji only accepted that after he accepted that he couldn't get away, no matter how far heran.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ7NVjZ-Eyg
>>117304941
the stars must be right
>>117304689
>>117304995
Shinji best girl.
>>117304941
being effay brings people together
>>117301421
What's going on with the gaylien's midriff?
>>117304941
Huh? Oh. Um. You're waifu a shit. Um.
>>117305051
Shinji would make a great housewife.
>>117305096
His body is making a horribly unnatural 180 degree turn. It's even grosser than his clothes.
>>117305126
He can cook, he cleans, he has a meek disposition and looks adorable in a maid outfit. Yes he would.
>>117305051
Yes.
>>117305173
>you will never tenderly love a maid Shinji and help him through his psychological issues
Why is life so cruel?
>>117305051
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVi3hdNw_qc&
>you'll never have someone love you like Karl.
>>117305418
Engels was a boy though.
>>117305417
>seele
a council of grandmas just doesn't have the same gravitas
>>117305417
Aw shit, I've been looking for that video again for years.
>>117305173
So did Shinji get his waifuness from Gendo or Yui?
>>117305632
>Tristan and Tay
They look like the exact same.
>>117304975
Logic, common sense.
Don't date your mom.
Don't date Aliens.
Don't date clones.
>>117305681
Yui obviously. Everyone who doesn't want Shinji wants Yui.
>>117305681
>gendo
>waifu
How much mental illness would someone need?
>>117305850
If Yui chose him over Mari, his dicking must be top-level.
>>117305795
Well Rei isn't the first, but she's the rest. Still don't see a problem in dating aliens or clones.
Rei would make a great partner, and the best for Shinji if only because the competition is even worse.
If it's not Shinji, then pick any other similar person in a similar situation. It's better to have someone like Rei close to you, who will help you the best she can, than someone who won't.
>>117305906
Hid dicking must be >0, that's all it takes.
