Hope I'm not late on this.
Last night at the movie theater I saw the trailer for this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IdMPpKMdcc
The whole time I was thinking, this looks like a dubbed anime that I've seen before.
It says that it is based on a Marvel comic of the same name.
But after looking up stuff about the comic it does not seem to have much in common with the movie.
MC in both is Japanese boy genius who builds robot named Baymax.
But after that the comic sounds pretty dark and he teams up with a cast of government agents and superheroes to fight a evil dragon made up of the souls from the atomic bomb attack victims.
In movie MC builds gear that gives his friends powers to help him fight super villain in a kabuki mask.
The writers for both the comic and movie are all Gaijin but the whole production comes off looking like a CGI anime.
What do you think?
Haven't you seen this before?
>>115767552
But the comic and the movie have pretty much nothing in common story wise.
>>115766845
What are you asking? If you're asking if western movies have ever stolen the concept of an anime, it has happened tons of times before. Stealth ripped off Macross Plus, The Matrix was heavily inspired (and blatantly copied) Ghost in the Shell, Avatar was heavily inspired by Naruto, etc. And don't even get me started on the dozens of blatant copies of Miyazaki in Disney movies.
They've been rolling out a lot of promo stuff for this film in Japan - inflatables and cardboard standees - so I guess if it is incredibly similar to something Japanese imageboards will have begun ripping into it already.
The only thing I can think of is Medabots and that terrible Korean CGI thing Cubix.
>>115770641
>The Matrix
Is a direct rip-off of The Invisibles by Grant Morrison.
>>115770641
>Avatar was heavily inspired by Naruto
I thought that was Dances With Wolves.
>>115766845
it's anime inspired cartoon movie, whats your point?
it's comonly known that lasseter has huge respect for Miyazaki and ghibli. would be such a huge surprise if people at pixar and disney was filled with weabos?
looks to me that theyve done movies homaging video games , old disney movies and now its comics and manga's turn.
Honestly cant be more excited for it. Loved wreck it ralph and most pixar movies.
Wow, vague plot points make it a ripoff now?
Characterization and development and directing and execution matter way more than that. Every plot has been basically done already anyways.
Sounds like a mash up of the western inspired cliches
but wasnt anime ripped off from walt disney in the first place
>>115766845
>MC in both is Japanese boy genius who builds robot named Baymax.
Did you even watch the very tailor you posted? It was built by his older brother who disappeared and is totally the guy in the kabuki mask.
>>115770641
>stealth ripped off macross plus
Kinda stretching that
>Anime ripoff
Anime wishes to be like western animation.
>>115773544
>>115766845
>made up of the souls from the atomic bomb attack victims
Who writes this shit?
>>115770641
>Avatar was heavily inspired by Naruto
wut
wasn't it inspired by flcl?
>>115774135
No, it was inspired by sailor moon.
>>115773648
Apparently the same people who wrote Godzilla
>>115774135
>Aang doing rasengans and shit
>Katara being an useless love interest
>Zuko being an angst kid seeking revenge
It just writes itself.The first two seasons were still better than Naruto though.Fuck Korra though. God why does it have to exist.
>>115766845
>Haven't you seen this before?
Huh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Hero_6
>>115770641
Don't forget Chronicle which was a blatant ripoff of Akira. That's a recent example.
>>115773544
Western animation is trash. Shame that all of the real talent throughout the industry is drawn to it though since it offers the most cash. Lots of passionate people who are forced to make trash because of strict bias against animation in the west.
The concept design of the robot (Baymax) was done by Koyama Shigeto, designer of Heroman. Also worked on Kill la Kill.
>>115774618
It's like you didn't even watch it.
>>115772056
A focus on a three way love triangle story and a sentient computer flying a fighter jet. Literally the only thing it doesn't have from Macross Plus is the music.
>>115766845
Not to sound like an SJW faggot, but the thing that pisses off most about this is that asian characters don't really look asian. They just look like white people with too much eyeliner.
>>115775388
>Western animation is trash
Never once disregarded a post this fast.
>>115775426
For real? That's awesome.
>>115775662
It's been in a stagnant state for decades because its industry is forced to target kids and family audiences and nothing else. It'll never reach its true potential until a company finally takes the risks of producing a successful PG 13 movie.
Pacific Rim ripped the greatest anime of all time, nuff said.
>>115775795
Western animation, on a technical level, is so far beyond Eastern animation that it's not even funny.
Shit, we were better 60 years ago than they are today.
>>115775903
What are you talking about? It looked nothing like Inferno Cop.
>>115775989
Except 3D because that's the direction they choose to go with in the west.
>>115775989
>Western animation, on a technical level, is so far beyond Eastern animation that it's not even funny.
Yes, and that's it.
In terms of narrative; it's stagnant, creatively bankrupt, infantile and always playing it safe.
>>115775989
Nu uh
Let's not forget that The Lion King also ripped off Kimba the White Lion and Atlantis ripped off Nadia.
Also, what's up with Big Hero 6 having all these different races for the heroes?
>>115775989
Oh one of these idiots.
"Western animation is better because the characters move in every single frame and they spend 300 million one each movie!"
Nope. I'll still take anime over that. Especially since 90% of all 'western' animation these days is 3D crap. And the actual 2D stuff is drawn in Korea/Japan. So in short, you don't know jack.
>>115775132
Eh, it's more "inspired by" than ripped off.
A kid getting psychic powers and going power mad? That's about it. Akira had way more social commentary and involvement with conspiracies and government than Chronicle, which stayed more focused on the few main characters due to its "found footage" style.
>>115776390
>tfw a fucking kids movie about a bunch of dogs made in 60s has better animation than Japan has ever done
>>115776217
>In terms of narrative; it's stagnant, creatively bankrupt, infantile and always playing it safe.
>>115775989
>Shit, we were better 60 years ago than they are today.
Funny how Miyazaki movies i nthe 1980s look better than Disney movies 20 years later. Something even Disney animators admit. Especially since they copy Miyazaki so much.
As long as the japs can't make Rick and Morty they will always be second place.
>>115776556
>Especially since they copy Miyazaki so much.
The level of ignorance in this statement is astounding.
Let me clue you in.
The entire anime and manga industry was created by a guy ripping off Disney.
>>115776479
>better animation
>reusing the same rotoscoped scenes for two decades, from 101 Dalmations to Sword in the Stone to The Rescuers to The Jungle Book
Keep telling yourself that dude.
Can your chinese cartoons do this?
>>115776601
Tezuka didn't rip off Disney. He was inspired by and was open about his love of Disney material, particularly Donald Duck comics.
Now if you want to get into RIP OFFS, we can talk about the Kimba the White Lion/Lion King similarities.
>>115776592
Yea I'm glad because nips do comedy better than Amerifats ever will.
>>115776674
Weren't some of Disney's movies rotoscoped?
Especially the one in your picture?
I just realized this kid is Japanese and he was saying "this is Tadashi, my older brother"
I never would have figured if I didn't search the series up
>>115775989
Why is /co/ so damn delusional?
>>115776601
>you're ignorant
Disney animatiors themselves admit to copying Miyazaki. Movies like Treasure Planet and Atlantis blatantly copied Miyazaki. No to mention The Lion King being a point by point retelling of Kimba The White Lion with crappy Shakespeare thrown in.
>The entire anime and manga industry was created by a guy ripping off Disney.
Taking inspiration is not the same as 'ripping off'. Tekuza had just as much influence from early turn of the century comics and movies like Metropolis. He didn't blatantly take a Disney movie like Dumbo and remake it. Yet every major film by Disney has been a remake of a famous story by someone else, with very few exceptions (like Lilo and Stitch). For fuck sake, Atantis was a complete copy of Nadia. Which itself was ripped off from Laputa.
And none of this has anything to do with 'animation quality'.
>>115776723
rotoscope masterrace
>>115776708
Tezuka also inspired by (literal) chinese cartoon which also said to be the first asian feature animation
>>115776710
Yeah, just remember all the great comedies japan has given us, like ... maybe nichibros and thats it.
>>115776792
It's actually true, though.
Miyazaki is literally the only person in japan that releases films of equivalent technical fidelity.
The average cartoon in America is better animated than a high budget, high profile anime.
>>115776708
Oh so when eastern artist copy western ones they are inspired
But the other way around and it's a rip-off.
>>115776832
Man, I sure love all these noodle limbs and circle eyes with black dots as pupils.
>>115776723
Most of the Disney movies between 1960-1990 were rotoscoped. Which he somehow thinks is 'better animation'.
Mostly because of people like Don Bluth who were the art director for those Disney movies. And Don Bluth loves his rotoscoping.
>>115771056
Well the Wachowskis admited that the were inspired by Ghost in the Shell , Ninja Scroll, Akira.
>>115776832
>American comedy
>Guy walks in
>Does a fart
>*laugh track*
>Repeat that for the rest of the show
>Oh right and the random flash backs
>>115776875
Thats not even remotely making sense.
>>115776799
>Atlantis blatantly copied Miyazaki
Nope, Atlantis copied Anno (and quite blatantly at that)
>>115776799
>The Lion King being a point by point retelling of Kimba The White Lion with crappy Shakespeare thrown in.
>implying both weren't ripping off Shakespear
>>115776674
You're seriously not trying to say that the gif you posted is a good example of that, are you?
Japan's animation can, and there are times where they've done better. The problem is that their animation isn't consistently smooth. But consistently smooth and detailed animation is expensive as fuck and is really only reserved for big corporate studios.
The west did give us the Thief and the Cobbler though, and that's the most painstakingly detailed animated movie ever, bar none.
>>115776906
>things that never happened in nothing ever
>>115776916
Wake me up when american cartoons have proper anatomy and detailed character designs not animated by Koreans/Japs.
No, Disney movies don't count.
>>115776922
>For fuck sake, Atantis was a complete copy of Nadia. Which itself was ripped off from Laputa.
>I can't read
>>115776874
Show me what he actually ripped off.
Using a style is not a ripoff.
Using images and concepts in such a way that they don't reflect back to the original is a ripoff.
Like Lion King.
http://www.kimbawlion.com/kimbawlion/rant2.htm
>>115776556
>>115776601
>>115776708
>>115776874
>>115776799
Does it really matter? Artists copy and build off one another all the time. When it's a back-and-forth inspiration like that, over oceans and decades of time it just ends up making everybody better.
>>115776906
Japanese Comedy is literally stuck in the 50s.
Manzai is one of the most stagnant, creatively dead types of comedy.
>>115776925
>implying every story ever isn't copying Shakespeare.
>even the ones that were written before his time
>>115776974
>What is Family Guy and the Big Bang Theory?
>>115776922
>>115776979
Meh. Atlantis was basically Stargate's story dressed up in Nadia's clothes.
>>115776674
>rotoscoping
You failed already anon.
>>115776977
Animation is by definition abstract, if you want proper anatomy, go outside.
>>115775654
Yeah unlike anime that does avery accurate description of japs. theyre trying to emulate more anime style anyway . besides their eyes do have slight apicanthic fold.
>>115776999
It only matters when people claim one source is better than another, like that one guy did. Obviously anyone with a brain and actual knowledge of media knows good artists take inspiration from other artists. Art is not created in a vacuum. Its built on the shoulders of predecessors.
>>115777055
You fucking idiot.
Thats a reference for the animator.
It's not drawn over, like rotoscoping.
>>115777056
You can still have realistic proportions in animation.
In fact, I'm quite sure most animators are taught this in animation school.
>>115777022
The fucking point is that this thread is retarded and needs to die.
Vague plot similarities mean nothing. That is not what's important at all.
>>115770641
What the fuck does Blue Alien creatures have to do with Naruto?
>>115766845
>kid builds a robot
>it's friendly
>his otouto bonds with it and they help save the day
The plot is definitely sticking to a Japanese setting/atmosphere. Western media typically demonises robots so I'm glad the movie isn't going in that direction.
>>115776979
Nadia's story was actually written by Miyazaki back in the early 70s. It was just shelved before being sold to NHK, who would go on to hire Gainax to make it.
And Anno was constantly fighting against NHK to make his own thing, but was constantly reigned in to follow Miyazaki's blueprint. Until the end when he went full ALIENS and SPACE SHIPS and BIBLE IMAGERY. He cited that part of what sent him into his depression that lead to Eva was his frustration with the lack of creative control on Nadia.
>>115776217
unlike anime that is SO fucking cutting edge.
are you twelve or are you that much of a weeabo?
The anime industry has been stagnant for years.
>>115777108
Snow White was an early attempt at rotoscoping. They couldn't do a complete 1:1 transition because Disney was basicaly pioneering new forms of animation in the late 1930s.
However, later movies like Sword in the Stone or Jungle Book did use straight rotoscoping. And looked even worse than the early Disney movies as a result.
its pointless to argue about all this though since there's an anime equivalent to every animation style. They've done it all, from rotoscoping to traditional cel drawings to 3D CGI crap.
Disney made better animation (before threy went full cgi), and even family guy is funnier than the average nip anime comedy. Only thing they have going in their favor is mecha shit because the white man has long realized that humanoid robots are stupid, especially in space.
Why are yellow people so shit?
>>115777177
>Wally
>Iron Giant
It's the edgy live action that demonizes them, not the cartoons.
I've been pretty excited to see this since viewing the trailer. It looks like a better than average animated film.
From what OP described, calling it a rip off sounds a bit harsh. I don't see a problem with them taking inspiration from Japanese anime. Filmmaking does not exist in a bubble and neither do ideas (about story telling, cinematography and of course what is commercially viable).
If it had copied scene for scene or blatantly ripped an entire plot from a different movie that would be different.
I hate how all these western CG movies have that same art style.
>>115776977
For some reason superhero cartoons are the only ones I can think of with "proper" anatomy.
>>115776857
>high budget
If anything, these are the ones drawing those extra frames in western animation.
>>115776857
>The average cartoon in America is better animated than a high budget, high profile anime.
Except it fucking isn't.
The animation is smoother, but only because they're character designs are shitty simple childrens' scribbles like pic related. It's far easier to animate.
Not that it really matters either way. 2D is dying internationally, so all all of today's 2D shows can't be compared with some of the work that aired in the mid nineties and earlier. This is regarding both eastern and western animation, for your information.
>>115777213
>The anime industry has been stagnant for years.
>has had its biggest changes in the last 15 years, most notably all studios switching from cels to digital and 3D CG
Stop trying to hate anime so much. Especially since nearly all animated works produced by a western distributor has ties to Korea or Japan. Ever watch all those huge budget Disney/Pixar movies? Notice how 3/4 the animators are Korean? I wonder why....
>>115777268
Wall-E was 9/10 and would have been 10/10 if it was only a SoL on the desolated earth with his Apple waifu without the kinda lame humans.
>>115777329
I hate how all this single turbo-weeb can't tell the difference, so he complains.
Someone post 'itsallthesameshit.jpg' for him.
>>115777161
He mean the Avatar The Last Airbender cartoon.
But we all know it was really ripping off Pokemon.
>>115776857
Western cartoons just have enormous budgets. They spend more money on one episode of The Simpsons or Adventure Time than half a season of anime. And plenty of people would still say those series aren't that good looking compared to something done by KyoAni or Production IG.
Its all pointless. Because guess where Simpsons and Adventure Time are animated? Korea and Japan. Whoops.
>>115777340
It's sad because that's like the only thing American animation can do.
It's either some shitty comedy, a superhero show, or some kind of politically show.
It would be nice to see them do something like a Shoujo work.
>>115777428
They just spend all that money on paying animators and VA's a decent wage.
>>115776977
I hope you're not implying that every anime character design is detailed or has proper anatomy.
>>115776906
>Japanese comedy
>girl walks in
>old fart gropes her
>"KYYYAAAA EEEEECHI!
>*SLAP*
>repeat that for every japanese "comedy"
oh look, i can be dismissive faggot and generalize too.
>>115776055
you. I like you.
>>115777428
Part of that is that animators are VERY well payed in America. And the voice actors are VERY over payed. Dan Castellaneta, the voice of Homer, makes roughly half a million PER EPISODE of the Simpsons. Yeah, that's the kinda bloat that really drives up the cost.
>>115777457
As told by Ginger was pretty much like a shoujo SoL show, too bad it looked like crap
>>115777471
They also spend more money on animation itself. But much of it is wasted on needless things. Like The Simpsons will spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on a 30 minute 'skit' imitating Miyazaki. Those 30 seconds of film being more expensive than entire episodes of anime.
>>115777476
More than the average western animation aired on TV.
>>115777457
my life as a teenage robot?
>>115777527
Also I'm sure the mandatory celebrity cameo costs a pretty penny.
>>115777482
No, that's actually pretty accurate.
>>115777349
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1453405/fullcredits/
From a quick glance, seems like 1/4 Asian at best and that's including Chinese, Japanese etc
>>115777349
So? the narrative has been stagnant since forever which was what i was replying to .
>>115777457
>It would be nice to see them do something like a Shoujo work.
You sound underage. Or maybe you just don't watch very much western animation in general.
There was plenty of "shoujo" shit in the 80's, 90's and early 2000's. There's also that upcoming French production called Lady Bug or something. Though I guess you could say that that one is more magical girl than shoujo.
BH6 looks like it will fail. I cannot stand an animated Western Action film. We all know that they will not allow for decent violence and consequences. This isn't like anime, what the average Shounen can do I do not see this lame crap doing.
everybody knows that japanese humor is either graphical shit that everybody over the age of 10 already grew tired of or something you will never understand and even if you understand it you will never get why its supposed to be funny.
>>115777346
What about all of Bruce Timm's work? Batman the Animated Series, Superman, Justice League... all of that shit looks great. The Spider-Man cartoon from the 70s? Not so much.
In general I think American cartoons do animate at a higher frame rate than Japanese ones and actually care about lip flaps. This seomtimes means you have shows like Airbender with amazing, fluid fight scenes rather than your Japanese variety. On the flip side, anime has come up with awesome camera angles to make things dynamic.
As with most things, I think the question of which has better quality/budget is simply: it depends.
>>115777457
Does Steven Universe count? I kinda liked that one. Art direction had a weirdly familiar charm to it.
>>115777482
>American comedy
>"So I heard Jamie slept with Barbera"
>audience: OOOHHHHH!!!
>"don't go there!"
>repeat every episode
>Japanese comedy
>characters about to get close
>generic 'cute girl' jumps in and interrupts them right before they kiss or admit their feelings
>repeat every episode until the last one
>>115777614
wasn't that for fags though?
>>115777531
Pretty sure most of them are disqualified because the faces alone. Large eyes and small/no noses are pretty common, but not anatomically correct.
>>115777641
Everybody knows that western humour is either shitty references to current events and pop culture, or graphical shit everybody over the age of 10 has grown tired of.
>>115777614
>French production
The french are just as perverted as the Nipps. This is very good news.
>>115777482
Laugh tracks are honestly worse than any anime cliche I can think of.
>>115777641
>japanese anime
>graphical humor
I don't think you understand that particular phrase anon.
>>115777685
What? Ladybug? It's a superhero/magical girl show for girls
>>115777702
sounds like you only ever watch Family Guy.
>>115777618
To be honest, it's the only big-budget western-animated movie I've been looking foward to in the last couple of years.
Frozen was overrated crap, Wreck-It-Ralph was mediocre and also overrated and HTTYD2 was flat out terrible. At least Paranorman and Ernest and Celestine were good.
>>115777614
I thought Lady Bug was suppose to be animated not turned into CG?
>>115777349
>all studios switching from cels to digital and 3D CG
Ypu make it sound like thats a fucking good thing. that siwitch has made all anime inorganic, bright colored puke that have taken all variety out of all tipes of animation,.
>>115777618
>Action has to have blood and explicit death to be good
>>115777213
Common /co/ have some dignity... Dont you have some webcomics to read? I heard that men in spandex are really popular now. If you dont hurry tumblr is going to take over your board.
>>115777641
Are you implying western 'references' are not just 'how close can we talk about sex without actually admitting it'
At least Japanese shows will blatantly point it out. Watching an American or British show is just all innuendo and no development.
>>115777641
High-brow humor isn't as entertaining
How is this /a/ related?
Is it fine now to make /tv/co/ related series threads with a OP that simply says how it's kinda similar to an anime that may or may not existed.
>>115777780
It sure helps.
>>115777791
Like for example? Because that sounds like a whole lot of crap.
>>115777712
It has a Catboy too. Looking foward to the inevitable fanart porn for both characters.
>>115777779
No one is claiming that to be a good thing. He just refute that other guy's claims about anime being stagnant. Holy fucking shit.
>>115777779
America did the exact same thing in the late 90s, early 2000s. All 2D animation is digital. That is, for the 10% of western animation that is actually 2D anymore. All the rest is 3D puke that looks far worse than anything Japan makes.
>>115777779
>>115777803
I just want to feel special, okay? Not like all the guys in school bullying me because of my haruhi t-shirt.
>>115777821
Married With Children
Friends
Frasier
Big Bang Theory
Take your pick. Sex is always the biggest subject in western comedies.
Anime has the best background art
>>115777868
You should be shamed if you ever went to school in a haruhi shirt.
>>115777767
Not anymore, they scrapped the anime-French/Japanese co-production since western suits and execs firmly believe that 2D can't sell anymore in the west.
So they went generic 3D animation style instead.
>>115777753
I'm kinda looking forward to Song of the Sea too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsbjOKv4AOQ
>>115777767
The main show is going to be CGI, but it seem it's going to have some 2D web only episodes by Toei
>web only
>Toei
>Sailor Moon Crystal QUALITY.jpg
Hope the french budget prevents some tragedies
>>115777753
>These movies made by the same people are over rated crap
>looking forward to a movie by the same guys because anime connections
Look at this faggot. You are those weeaboo cringe pictures.
>>115777779
>that siwitch has made all anime inorganic, bright colored puke that have taken all variety out of all tipes of animation,.
So basically, like going from Old gritty Spongebob to new digital Spongebob. Its not like Japan is the only culprit of this.
>>115777681
>>115777728
But most american cartoons dont have laugh tracks.
what comedic american have them?
none from seth mcfarlane , nor the simpsions or the the other fox shows, nor south park or those at adult swim.
>People that can't even draw a straight line pretend to have valid opinions about animation
>>115777905
No it doesn't. Its shit.
>>115777974
I can't think of any shows with laugh tracks on besides Big Bang shit and Two and a half Tiger Blood.
>>115777974
You're arguing between types of shows. A laugh track is not used on animation because there's no audience viewing it. Though some shows like Simpsons and Family Guy did put laugh tracks in to parody live sitcoms.
>>115778009
What? You can't draw a straight line?
>>115777974
laugh tracks in an animated series would make even less sense than having laugh tracks generally, because no show is filmed before a live audience anymore anyways.
>>115778009
>people who are a consumer of a particular medium cannot have valid concerns regarding them
>>115777753
You didn't like HTTYD2? Same here. But why? IMO the movie's story was horribly ruined by Hiccup's deadbeat mother who doesn't suffer for abandoning her family to go on a hippie crusade essentially. Reminded me of The Simpsons with Homer's mother who also abandoned her family for hippie activist bullshit reasons. I hate that shit especially when they don't treat such females like the pieces of shit that they are.
>>115778068
Family Matters
Step by Step
Saved by the Bell
Seinfield
Cheers
Frasier
Most single camera Sitcoms have a laugh track. But they're live action.
>>115778112
Consumers can never have valid opinions, only creators can.
Extrapolate your option's
>>115778088
I remember old Scooby Doo had laugh tracks
OP here.
This thread was on page 9 with one troll post when I left if for dead to play some vidya.
>mfw thread still alive and actually has some discussion
>>115778009
>IIT /co/ and /tv/ fighting with /a/ not even posting webms to prove their point
>>115777951
What the fuck are you even talking about here?
The directors for Big Hero 6 aren't the same people who did Dang-It-Bobby or those shitty princess cash grabs.
Paranorman was Laika and Ernest and Celestine is a French production.
>>115778126
>trying to derail an already off-topic thread
>>115778009
Anime is shit
>>115778088
>because no show is filmed before a live audience anymore anyways.
Yes they are. People hate Big Bang Theory to death for its laughing. But it is filmed in front of a live audience. Look it up.
>>115777814
This. Its one of the reasons Western animation will never rival anime. How many times can you do a Batman cartoon where the Joker cannot kill anyone unless its a special expensive Blue Ray one shot movie? That shit's obnoxious and difficult to take seriously.
>>115778088
That's not true. Almost every big name sitcom is still filmed in front of a live audience. How I Met your Mother isn't.
>>115778154
You mean the customer is not always right?
>>115778210
The Dark Knight Returns.
Checkmate atheists
>>115778147
I meant on currently but I looked it up and found more.
>>115778210
I agree.
It removes all impact from the scene if there's no physical effect except for bruise marks.
>>115778009
Who are you quoting?
>>115778155
Heh, I know that, it used to be aired in TV in my country
>>115778201
Who are the people laughing at this shit?
>>115778126
I disliked how the pacing was so fucking fast it never felt like they had time to develop anything, not Hiccup's mother or the villain, they were there but I never cared for what was happening
>>115778154
Well I'm very sorry that you have to live in a society that people in power constantly raping your ass, but thats not how things works in the rest of the world.
>>115778332
Paid actors.
>>115778126
The mother was essentially useless, the story felt uninspired (Dragons are/aren't mindless monsters was already done with the first movie, DW needs to find a new premise already) and they amped up the cliches by 10. Not that the first HTTYD wasn't already cliche and typical, but they managed to twist the cliches in such a way where they didn't feel shoehorned in and it managed to feel natural. That wasn't the case with HTTYD2.
>>115778262
>unless its a special expensive Blue Ray one shot movie
