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Prototype Saber > F/SN Saber
Wasn't there an LN or a manga that started?
What was it actually, anyway? Did it get translated.
>>115471176
Prototype is absolute shit.
The only good thing that came from it is Lancer's design
>>115471176
fuck off hambeast
>>115471176
Prototype is wish fulfillment garbage with an extremely bland MC and an almost entire cast of uninteresting characters, quite literally the only engaging and interesting character is Ayaka's sister and she;s a raging slut for the ExcaiD so it's pointless. The only good thing about Prototype is Cu's armour, thats it. Go fuck yourself fujioshit and go back to >>>/y/
>>115471252
There's a LN volume out.
>>115471176
He combines good qualities of Shirou and Saber, but I prefer Arturia more.
>>115471296
>>115471441
You guys are free to stay buttmad.
>>115471548
I'm not mad I'm just stating the obvious.Well I am kinda mad but that's from something else.
>>115471176
Why does prototype Saber seem like a nice and cheerful boy while the female one is a no-nonsence hardass?
>>115471676
He wasn't forcefully gender-bended.
>>115471676
Got to pander to fujioshits somehow.
>>115471441
>Prototype is wish fulfillment garbage with an extremely bland MC and an almost entire cast of uninteresting characters
So it's the same as F/SN?
>>115471676
It's natural because he's a dude
>My Gate of Babylon is moving on its own!
>>115471676
You'd be upset too if they scrapped your dick and your waifu turning you into otakubait and her in a ginger incompetent magus.
Assassin of Red > Assassin > True Assassin
>>115471893
>Shirou
>Bland MC
>uninteresting characters
You lost me.
>>115471176
glasses are shit, but male saber was the shit. instead of that retarded female saber
>Prototypefags
Why do you exist? They only thing worth mentioning is Lancer's really hot master.
>>115472113
Lancer's design is superior.
His master is probably even more retarded than Kotomine though
>>115471176
I would definitely rather summon him in a Grail War. He's a pretty cool bro, is even better in combat, and his fucking Excalibur is broken beyond all reason. The fact he's not a genderbent version of one of my favorite epic heroes helps too.
>>115472233
He's probably the biggest mary sue Nasu has ever written.
Shiki (r) and Saibah don't even come close
>>115472113
There's a bunch of really cool Servants and decent Masters and LN's plot is rather interesting.
>>115472281
I don't think he can be a bigger Mary Sue than Shirou though.
>>115471441
>>Prototype is wish fulfillment garbage with an extremely bland MC and an almost entire cast of uninteresting characters,
So it's the same as fatestaynight.
>F/P
cancer
>>115472334
>Shirou
>Mary Sue
I don't comprehend.
Prototype Arthur is handsome and I would hug him.
Lancer is love though.
>>115471176
>Saber
>Not Saver
>>115472334
But Shirou is a failure. How can he be a MS?
>F/SN fags complaining about how F/P is pure wish fulfillment self-insertion garbage
I don't follow.
>>115472482
You should probably read F/SN
>>115472504
I already did, I thinkyou should read F/P.
Oh wait, it isn't over yet. So you can't even know how bland it is or how it will turn out.
>>115472430
>Saver
Mah Nigga.
>>115472482
F/P was written by Nasu when she was in highschool.
Stay Night was the rewritten version after experience from Tsukihime and KnK.
>>115472535
Prototype != Prototype Fragments
>>115472113
couldn't deny that
>>115471296
>The only good thing that came from it is Lancer's design
This. Prototype's Lancer design is so rad.
I guess they ditched it because it was too much of a hassle to draw.
>>115472565
>sealing Gae Bolg for some retarded reason
>>115471296
FSN is also absolute shit so it's not really any different.
>>115472551
>Nasu
>she
U w0t?
>>115472610
Just another retard parroting misinformation.
>>115472551
We don't know the full Prototype, only main plot points. Stay Night is mostly the same except for changes due to the gender and more pandering for being an eroge now instead of a standalone novel.
>>115471441
> wish fulfillment garbage with an extremely bland MC and an almost entire cast of uninteresting characters
Sounds familiar.
>>115471176
>[UTW]
WAIT A FUCKING SECOND
>>115472666
What's there to wait for?
>>115471998
>generic japanese high schooler
>wants to be a hero
Are you serious? He's bland as all fuck. FSN got popular only because of Saber. If you think otherwise you are utterly delusional.
>>115472726
Are they back for real?
>>115472113
Great loli as a final boss beats the shit out of a fag in golden armor or wormslut.
the best
Fate CCC translation started up, thats good news
>>115472745
They released Prototype almost three years ago.
>>115472745
Prototype OVA came out a few years ago
>>115472659
>UBW
>Wish fullfilment
>bland MC
>Uninteresting characters
>>115472731
Read the VN or Reread it and pay attention.
>>115472745
It's old as fuck.
>>115471176
Sir Gawain is better still.
>>115471296
Lancer is a dirty mongrel, Sir Gawain's design is the only worthwhile thing to come out of it.
>>115472781
>>115472782
>>115472799
I am the slowest of slowpokes
>>115472783
Go back to 2ch Nasu.
>>115472551
T-M changed it only because back then VN market was completely dominated by male otaku. Otome games were not a thing yet so they changed it only so it could pander to the larger demographic.
That's it.
>>115472811
>Gawainposting
Thread's ruined, everyone go home.
>>115472776
F/SN Gil would wreck Proto Gil easily.
>>115472861
I guess you just can't see the glorious light that is the greatest and most righteous of Sabers, Sir Gawain.
>>115472783
It's a fucking porn VN that got popular because you can fuck hot blonde King Arthur.
Stop acting like if it was good in any way.
It's no different than generic edgy powerlevels fightan shonen only with actual porn added.
>>115472840
Nasu is too busy playing Smash to care, and getting ready to watch F/SN with Takeuchi.
>>115472885
But Kinpika can't call down an orbital strike on people.
>>115472885
And Manaka would wreck him so no one cares.
>>115471441
>make it otakubait waifushit
>/a/ loves it
>make it fujoshibait husbandoshit
>/a/ hates it
It's like poetry
>>115472963
Yes I'm sure people spent 50+ hours reading something for those 30 minutes of sex scenes instead of simply you know, playing VNs designed around sex scenes like Bible Black.
>>115472983
>implying Ea wouldn't destroy it, destroy the building and probably the world.
Besides once he gets caught in Enkidu he's automatically dead.
>>115472840
No your argument really is that horrible. Noone wants to be literally Shirou, The guy completely lacks a sense of self and any kind of self worth an heroic ideal is by it's nature filled with pain and suffering and in some instances being stuck in his own personal hell for all eternity.
He is the furthest thing possible from a wish fulfilment MC infact, his whole story serves a be careful what you wish for parable.
>>115473041
People sit through hundreds of episodes of Naruto too.
>>115472963
>it has porn, so it must be shit
Fuck off.
>>115473065
Proto Gil might have those things himself.
Also this arrow thing does suspiciously look like it does something similar to Ea.
>>115473065
>>115472983
CCC Gil laughs at both of them.
>>115473012
Manaka's just trying to have a picnic with her husbando, but everyone keeps bothering her. Poor Manaka.
>>115472885
Proto-Gil has an Orbital fucking strike. Ea is literally shit in comparison to that.
>>115473093
There isn't any porn in Naruto, or do you mean everyone watched it for that one Hinata filler ?
>>115473137
>Ea
>shit
You do realize that Ea is one of the very few things that actually hurt Gaia.
>>115473122
Well he's literally in Origin form halfway through the game with the mooncell giving him unlimited prana. What do you expect?
>>115473139
I'm sure half of /a/ did watch Naruto for that one Hinata filler back then.
>>115471176
>Prototype Saber > F/SN Saber
I wouldn't say that, but he's a better male lead than Shirou. That whole "woman shouldn't fight" bullshit gets annoying fast since he's all words and keeps dying because of it, only to resurrect afterwards.
>>115472589
Lancer's design for Prototype wasn't even created until recently, so they didn't reject it. The original novel Nasu wrote in highschool didn't have an actual "design" back then, just some vague description like "Lancer is a blue" or some shit.
>>115473137
Ea's a Mother Goddess phenomenon.
Enki's honestly pretty bad because of its preconditions.
But both of them probably have the other's trump card anyway, so it's moot. At the very least, FSN Gil would have Enki, I'd think Prototype Gil would have Ea but maybe the "there can be only one" conceptual property of it would make that weird.
>>115473122
>CCC Gil
We're talking about Servants, not that powerlevel monstrosity.
>>115473180
Ea is still a boring ass weapon and Enki (proto-gil's weapon) can do that also.
>>115473091
And no one cares. It's all about Saber. Look at everything TM did after it. Saber clones fucking everywhere. Half of the girls from the west look like Saber for some reason.
This shit is all about people fapping to Saber.
The plot is there just to interest powerlevels shonen retards. Look at all the "x can kill servants" or "Gil would kill y if he wanted" bullshit Fate threads are. It's either that or my waifu > your waifu wars.
People acting like if this shit had a good story or some real substance are beyond hope. And F/Z is even worse.
>>115472963
My mom read Fate without porn.
Type-moon festival events full of normal adult people even with kids.
Realta Nua was top seller VN on ps2
Realta Nua was top seller VN on Vita
Your point?
Waifu wars is shit
>>115473282
>My mom read Fate without porn.
Wait what?
>>115473272
Damaging the world physically =/= Damaging the world conceptually
>>115473321
What is Realta Nua
>>115473273
>Half of the girls from the west look like Saber for some reason.
You're confusing "everyone" with "Takeuchi", pal.
>>115473356
Think he's talking about your mom reading VNs.
>>115473137
Oh no, a target-locking arrow for an orbital weapon that causes flood! So scary!!!
I'd take the anti-world drill that rips dimensions, thank you.
>>115473356
No I'm wraping around my mind that his mom actually sat down for 50 hours and read all of Fate.
>>115472597
>wave one of the most recognizable weapons around like some dumb enforcer/executor.
>>115473415
Maybe she wanted to get closer to her son.
When you think about it it's pretty funny that T-M abandoned Prototype since it could've been that VN that caused the otome boom and make even more money than FS/N did.
>>115473444
She sealed it because she thought it was too unfair
>>115473321
She watched F/Z, read F/Z and Fate Route after that. She's completed UBW for now
>>115473391
>the Ex-rank world creating myth is better than the Ex-rank world ending myth because it has cooler visual effects
TM threads are never boring thanks to people saying silly shit like this.
>>115473629
Good for her. Now she only has the best route left.
>>115473273
Would you mind explaining what's so bad about the story?
>>115473391
You realise it caused Noah's flood, you know the one that wiped out all life on Earth outside of the Ark.
It has canonically done more shit than Ea will ever hope to.
>>115473755
Ea already did more in F/HA.
It ripped Gaia's reality marble apart and showed the "truth" of reality.
>>115473273
To be fair the Saber obsession might be mainly due to the fact that that piece of shit Takeuchi is obsessed with her.
Saberfags are always the worst kinds of human beings, as expected.
>>115473755
I agree with you from a mythological perspective.
From a Nasuverse one though, Enki's just causing a huge flood. Ea's is a conceptual destruction of the definition of a "world". One is a potentially unlimited physical destruction system, one is a Mother Goddess crystallization. As far as the Nasuverse is concerned, Ea has higher conceptual "strength" behind it.
>>115473849
Don't forget what happens when Ea gets seriously serious (CCC).
>>115473755
>muh earth
Ea is beyond your shitty irrelevant planet
>>115473849
What does that even mean, It didn't actually do anything. Showing the truth of reality is all well and good but it terms of tangible effects it's kind of worthless.
There's reason why there's Ea is not based on any actual legend, it's a plot device weapon Nasu created within this story with no noticeable effects anywhere.
>>115471441
>with an extremely bland MC
Don't shit on my waifu like that. She's miles better than what we got in Shirou. Also fujoshits like F/SN too, so get fucked mate.
>>115471176
Ayako > Rin and Shiro.
>>115474086
Different guy, but
>There's reason why there's Ea is not based on any actual legend
It's based on this copper drill-sword Marduk used to sorta-make the world. Nasu wanked it to the max.
Also the whole "truth of reality" thing is because it's a conceptual attack on the world. It tears apart the definition of the world itself. Check CCC for the best example on that.
>>115474144
What are even Ayako's defining traits? The biggest one I can even see is an inferiority complex.
>>115474097
Fuck you, I like my suicidal wannabe hero and apathetic psychotic priest.
>>115473686
It's no different than other 500 VN's or battle manga with a similar plot. In any way.
What made it such a big hit is Saber.
>>115474192
I know what it does, the point is whenever it's used it has leaves no noticeable effects despite what it's "supposed" to do. And it gets hard countered by Avalon, a NP with far more mythological backing in all aspects.
Ea just exists as consolidated nasu wank, with very little in the way of an actual legacy, hence why I consider it boring,
>>115474086
>use Enki against the stronger beings in the Nasuverse
Lip compresses it, Melt uses her Authority to command the flood for herself, etc.
>use Ea against them
Reality is shattered and remade with the opponent getting annihilated.
Also dat multi-day precondition.
>complaining about wish fulfillment
>/a/
Top лiл.
>>115474202
Probably overcoming that complex. And she could change her personality by removing her glasses.
FSN would have been miles better if it dropped the fanfiction style of plot and went simply standard shounen-ish style of
>use a hero from history
without stupid genderswaps
without stupid teenager delusions
and the romance instead of being naive as fuck, it could have been done straight, fall in love because he's a sexy hero, have sex because mana/it's cool, he dies, girl carries on, grows up
>>115474417
A+ main character would read again.
No wonder the prequels sound far more interesting than the main story.
>>115473686
have you read anything besides what teachers asked you to do in highschool?
>>115474444
So Fate/Stay Night except Shoujo
>>115474372
Stop wanking Ea so hard. There are many beings in Nasuverse that would completely rape Gil with his dildo sword.
>>115474086
Ea is a sword that one of the trinity of gods, Ea, made to kill the last titan. I'd say that's pretty close to many world origin stories.
>>115474498
Name some of your favourite books.
>>115474517
You mean josei.
>>115474202
And Shirou is better than that? He's like a completely generic shonen MC that wants to be a hero. He also seems to completely suck at magic but in the end it turns out he can actually fight okay.
>>115474521
Of course they can, Servants aren't that good on the overall Nasuverse scale. Not contesting that. Gil's screwed against anything above Divine Spirits, and even below there plenty of things have high compatibility with him. Ea's still a Mother Goddess thing, that's its whole basis.
>>115474517
>>115474592
yeah josei or seinen with female shirou that isn't the mc but the heroes are the mc of their respective ark
>>115474592
No thanks I don't want NTR with famous people from history
So if Cu uses Gae Bolg at the same time as Saber uses Avalon, doesn't Gae Bolg hit her before she uses Avalon because of the causality warp?
Manaka is love.
>>115474677
Avalon protects against everything.
>>115474529
Ea is not a sword, it's a god, in legend anyway.
>>115474677
...what the fuck are you smoking?
Avalon is a Marble Phantasm of the fairies that offers a seven-dimensional presence. Time is one of those seven dimensions, if she has Avalon then the activation condition becomes pointless as trying to reverse the chain of cause and effect along a fourth dimensional access ceases to have meaning in a conceptual universe immune to the ravages of that dimension, as well as any interdimensional interference.
>>115474741
Right, but before Avalon activates, I mean. It's not always active, even in Fate Saber got hurt by Gil in the part of the fight pre-activation. I mean that Gae Bolg would hit her before Avalon activates, so even that super isolation protection becomes meaningless.
>>115474746
Ea is a god, yes. And Enki, another god from the trinity, is Gil's ancestor. Would make sense for Ea's sword to be kept there and then be called the same as its creator.
>>115474603
No Shirou exists as analysis of heroism and the logical impossibilities of amodern day Superhero, as well as analysis of an individual that encompasses complete altruism/selflessness.
As a MC he's actually pretty damn rare. To say he just wants to be a hero means you literally understood nothing of the character.
Those themes I consider interesting to talk about, overcoming an inferiority complex is quite literally as dime a dozen as they come.
>>115474921
Avalon will prevent that from happening then. Gae Bolg is not the only one who can meddle with spacetime.
>>115474998
Meant to reply to >>115474804
Can we agree that Male Saber/King Arthur would be a true bro?
Which character has the highest powerlevel in the entire Nasuverse?
>>115474603
>He's like a completely generic shonen MC that wants to be a hero
Confirmed for either not reading it or not paying attention at all
>>115475106
Ado Edem, probably.
>>115475050
He's an Archer prototype so yeah.
>>115474498
That doesn't really answer my question. Yes, books are better, but I want to know what's so bad about FSN story
>>115475106
Probably Type-Sun
>>115475106
Kanata from DDD.
Neo-secondaries don't know about her
>>115471176
What's the best Fate/Zero or Fate/Stay Night?
Because I really enjoyed F/Z, is it worth it to watch F/SN?
>>115475212
>Neo-secondaries
>>>/jp/
>>115473459
>"Hey Anon, doesn't this Sakura seems like a nice and proper girl?"
>>115471441
So it's SAO: Fate version?
>>115472902
Go to be Gawain.
>>115475541
Yes but not as worse.
>>115475570
I will go and be the most greatest, righteous and shining knight of all time, Sir Gawain, yes.
>>115475131
No. Guy is only the natural enemy of Types. He achieved nothing important in the great war.
>>115475106
Type Mercury (ORT) = Ado Edem > Type Jupiter > Type Saturn > Type Pluto > Type Venus > Type Moon (Crimson Moon) > Arcueid (full power) > Primate Murder > Original Roa > Angra Mainyu > Zelretch (young) > Counter Guardian Archer > Gilgamesh (Tohsaka) > Gilgamesh (Kotomine) = Arcueid (standard 30%) > Dark Sakura > Dark Saber > Lancelot = Saber > 5th Berserker = 17th Roa (Elesia) > Dark Berserker > 4th Rider > 5th Lancer (optimal) > 4th Lancer = 5th Rider (Sakura/optimal) = 4th Caster (optimal) > 5th Lancer (Kotomine) = 5th Caster = 4th Caster (Ryuunosuke) > 5th Rider (Shinji) > Nrvnqsr = Clairvoyant Fujino = Kurogiri > Archer > Kouma > 5th Assassin = 4th Assassin > Aoko = Barthomeloi = Kojirou = Ciel = "Ryougi Shiki" = Souren Araya (within the Ogawa Building) > Gun God (Black Barrel) > Touko = El-Melloi = Night of Wallachia > Sion Tatari = Melty Blood Satsuki = R.Shiki = Akiha = Asagami Fujino = 18th Roa > Tohno SHIKI = Alba = Heaven’s Feel Shirou = Kiri > Nanaya Shiki = Reinforced Kuzuki = Sion = UBW Shirou = Waver = Bazett > Avenger = Rin = Kotomine = Zouken = Luvia > Kiritsugu = Irisviel > Maiya = Leysritt = Tsukihime Satsuki = Lio = Avalon Shirou = Sakura = Ilya = Kariya = Len > Kirie = Caren = Meruka > The Dead = Possessed Corpse = Azaka = Misayo = Dragon Tooth Warrior = Fuji-nee > Fake Shiki > Gun God (unequipped) = Ryuunosuke = Tomoe = Shinji = Hisui = Kohaku
>>115475720
Red Man shouldn't be that high.
>>115475720
>HF Shirou higher than UBW Shirou
Objectively wrong. Shirou doesn't keep any of those hax powers after he dies and gets Resurrected. In the long run it's UBW Shirou.
>>115475777
CG Red Man should.
Counter Guardian Red Man gets INFINITE PRANA.
>>115475720
4th Rider > 5th Lancer
What?
>>115475720
>Ilya = Kariya
>>115472409
Shirou is shit tier
>>115475850
Cu can't do shit against Ionian Hetaiblabla
>>115475720
That List is shit on so many levels
>>115475882
Ath nGabla , gg lol
Also Nrvnqsr is way too low
>>115475777
CG Red Man =/= Grail War Red Man
Is Prototype's LN being translated?
>>115475654
Slash Emperor's ability is always being stronger than then enemy. I'd say that good enough
>>115475226
bump for interest
>>115475947
Yeah I quickly realised my fuck up.
>>115475941
>1v1ing thousands of servants
I'm not sure he'd win, though that depends on just how strong the individual soldiers in Iskandar's army really are.
>>115475226
Read the fucking VN
>>115476037
None of them are ranked, so obviously not THAT strong to matter.
>>115475958
That's not how it works.
>>115475849
Beyond that, he also gets the power from Alaya needed to defeat any opponent by exactly as much power as he needs to trounce the threat to the world he's duking it out with at the time. This means parameter boosts one or more ranks above his opponent when he's being invoked by the planet to neutralize a threat rather than summoned by a Magus to participate in a grail war.
>>115476037
You seem to be unaware of Cu's legend.
>>115476081
He doesn't get anything when summoned.
The stats you see are his base stats and they don't change with fame or anything else.
>>115474679
I agree, my fellow anon.
>>115476060
I should read Stay Night?
Isn't the anime worth it?
>>115471441
Reminder that Fate/Prototype will be made into a Hollywood movie aimed at Twilight fangirls and will print more money than all other Fate media combined.
Team Archer or Team Saber?
>>115476185
The anime adapts the second of 3 routes.
>>115476037
Actualy an incredibly long series of 1v1s was how he stalled Medb's army while every single Ulsterman beside him was asleep because of the a curse
>>115476185
Even if it's 10/10 perfect adaptation the UBW Anime is still only 1/3 of the story
>>115474679
She's great.
>>115476211
At least Archer isn't pleasing some whore for mana.
>>115476037
If you consider the achievements of his dearest friend Hephaestion, who essentially wingmanned Iskandar until the day he died, shared all his secrets and championed his dream of bridging the cultures of the Greeks and the Persians harder than anyone, it's hard to imagine a massive power divide between the two of them, even if Iskandar was the king and Hephaestion was subordinate to him. I can at least see thier parameters being on the same level, but Hephastion as having a far worse NP.
>>115476211
How about an Avenger's style movie where you make 7 movies about mythical/historical heroes and then throw them all together for a Holy Grail War?
>>115475955
Hopefully not, nobody in the TM fandom actually know japanese so it would most likely be machine translated garbage like usual.
And doing that shit to Sakurai's wonderful writing is just evil as fuck
>>115476405
It would be incredible, but it'll sadly never happen.
>>115473180
Where do you get this from
>>115471296
>>115471441
>apologetic Typemoonfags
Comedy gold.
>>115474679
typical EVIL POWER OF DARKNESS DARK LOLI
>>115476211
http://exhentai.org/g/626051/4a7349f7ca/
>Fate/Zero material - Encyclopedia: Gilgamesh [Servant], p.094
>The Archer class Servant of the Fourth Holy Grail War. Though he was summoned by Tohsaka Tokiomi, he ended up deserting his master and re-contracting with Kotomine Kirei. He is the strongest character in both Fate/stay night and Fate/Zero.
In the boy-meets-girl story of the original Fate/stay night he was forced to yield to the universal law of "love conquers all", but in Fate/Zero he's free to show off his overwhelming, cheat-like strength without restraint.
>pretty much flat out admitting Gilgamesh only lost due to plot armor
>>115476037
Cu once stalled an army for months by invoking single combat.
>>115477003
That's only in Fate though. It's perfectly explained why he lost in UBW
>>115477003
>he was forced to yield to the universal law of "Excalibur plus Avalon gg lol"
FTFY
>>115477242
Avalon is overrated shit because it only protects you once
It was just a matter of Saber counterattacking before Gil could attack again
Arguably the least bullshitty death of his though.
>>115475955
That's not an actual "translation", but here ya go.
http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/1502-Fate-Prototype?p=1650086&viewfull=1#post1650086
>>115477003
This is a prime example of shit writing.
Not only Nasu admits that Gil is so strong that results of the war are pretty much decided from the start but he also admits he can lose only to plot armor of the main characters.
Do people really defend this garbage?
>>115477101
Stalling doesn't mean beating them all
>>115477677
Actualy it does when you have constant single combat for months.
>>115471441
So its just like Fate/stay night then :^)
>>115472548
>Those ribs
Eat something
>>115476037
>>115476390
>>115476068
Nasu confirmed some of the soldiers are stronger than Iskander
>>115477794
>expecting Buddah to eat
