Name a character from the fate Franchise who could defeat Gilgamesh going all out.
Pro Tip:you can't
>>113705166
Iskander and Lancelot?
>>113705166
Shirou
>>113705190
>>113705245
While I appreciate your contribution, I was at least expecting some reasoning behind your choices anons.
Again, all out fight.
How would they win?
>>113705166 this >>113705245
Also, Saber. (UBW route)
>>113705359
>How would they win?
Play the VN or watch the anime, whichever floats your boat. I prefer posting Illyas
Shirou
Rin
Sakura
Gawain during the day.
>>113705166
Kiritsugu
>>113705166
Nanoha
>>113705166
Angry Manjew
>>113705166
Karna,
>>113705166
Tatsuya Shiba
>>113705166
Karna, maybe?
>>113705190
lol
>>113705166
Saber certainly could he has no counter for Avalon. All these gil wankers...
>>113705166
Also Archer could. A broken phantasm snipe with several huntrings would likely be enough.
Arcueid Brunestud or Neko Arc.
>>113707395
Avalon doesn't do shit except block a single Ea blast.
>taking plot armor as serious strength
Oh boy I guess Shirou is stronger than Dark Berserker and equal to Dark Saber then.
For once, most of the suggestions and shit. Most of the Nasuverse characters stated don't stand a chance, including Archer.
Karna gets raped by Enkidu, Iskandar already got shat on even after Gilgamesh let the guy waltzed right up to him, and Lancelot could only stall with Mad Enhancement. Shirou is a joke and people need to stop acting as though UBW can be deployed instantly.
>>113705245
>Gilgamesh going all out.
Good job not reading the OP. Gil with the armor would have been enough to massacre Shirou.
>>113705166
EMIYA with good mana support and a "kill him at all costs" attitude.
Zelretch, duh.
Adult Rin with mastery over the second sorcery, but only under specific conditions.
Endgame Sakura
>>113707759
Most people couldn't. Gilgamesh has already been stated to be the most powerful Zero/Stay Night character even with his personality flaws.
You can't take them away and expect Gil to keep juggling idiot balls when it comes to toying with his opponents.
>>113707759
>Gil with the armor
Not this again...
>>113708135
You know I am right.
>>113707759
Even Archer gets massacred. He's never getting his reality marble up.
>>113708148
We already know calm Gil could have overwhelmed Shirou in UBW, but that probably wasn't due to the armor.
>>113708174
It depends on the conditions of the battle. You put them face to face, 2 mts appart in an arena and call 3,2,1 FIGHT! and sure, the infamous "serious Gil" uses full-powered Ea and get the job done. But in a scenario where you can factor in actual strategy, field advantage and the element of surprise it's a whole other deal.
>>113707759
>Gil with armor
I'll spoonfeed you, Gil going all out doesn't even wear his armor.
>>113708390
Pls no bully
What class would these people be if they came back?
>Obama
>George W. Bush
>Paul Bunyan
>Hitler
>Napoleon
>Solid Snake
>Halo
>DIO
>Saladin
>William Halsey
>Arnold Schwarzenegger
>>113708444
>>Halo
Zwei form Illya.
>>113708379
Field advantage stops mattering when your opponent can bombard you from the stratosphere with nuclear weaponry. Putting distance between Gilgamesh is a death sentence for whomever he's fighting. He's an Archer for a reason.
>>113705166
Of course Shirou .And basically anyone who can get close to Gil or counter his GB, this enough for dumbass king.
>>113708501
Berserker huh?
>>113708444
>Saladin
Are we talking the actual Saladin, or Big Boss?
>>113708554
Shirou needed Rin and Archer to support him so he could cast UBW on a Gilgamesh who was too shitfaced to take him seriously from the onset. He's getting smeared across the floor here, by his own admission.
>>113708532
Except when you put him against a more skilled Archer, with better eyesight, aim, firing rate and smarts, which happens to have the perfect counter for his way of doing "archery".
>>113708636
Actual Saladin
>>113707512
When Saber is the one using it, it's actual invincibility. It's not going to give her the power to defeat someone else, but it's going to prevent anyone from defeating her.
Though I suppose it's possible someone could fight a long drawn out battle and try to exhaust her, but that seem a bit unlikely.
ORT
gg
>>113706954
well played
>>113708665
It's funny you should mention that, because Nasu pegged Gilgamesh as more intelligent than Archer in CCC. He's also not casting UBW on someone so far from his person.
>>113708444
arnold: would either be a saber or berserker (basicly conan)
obama: caster
bush: caster
hitler: caster
napoleon: archer
snake: assassin
saladin: saber
Shiki can kill servants
>>113705166
Saver.
>>113705166
enkidu?
>>113708786
>Nasu pegged Gilgamesh as more intelligent than Archer in CCC
No, he didn't. Do you even moon?
EMIYA's fighting style relies on pure battle experience, Gil has no practical application of his supposedly enormous intelligence. He sure has a keen instinct, i'll give you that, but he's never outsmarting an opponent that can almost instantly comprehend what all of his weapons do even better than him (besides Ea) and is way more used to fighting in unfavorable conditions than him.
>>113708891
Void Shiki could erase them from Akasha, but physically neither Shiki can fight them.
>>113709222
But can Shiki kill Shiki?
>>113709259
They can't exist in the same world, but suicide would work.
>>113709191
And yet he still gets overwhelmed.
Kiara's NP inflicts damage partly based on how intelligent the target is -- and Archer was supposed to take the least. You're the one who spontaneously decided Gilgamesh has no proper application to his intelligence when he has thousands of NPs to work with.
>>113709306
Then what about SHIKI, Shiki, SHIKI, SHIKI, Shiki and Shiki.
>>113709339
>thousands of NPs to work with.
Non of which he knows how to wield. He just owns them, never forget that.
Hercules summoned as Saber. Bam. Herc was nerfed as shit by being summoned as Berserker in FSN, all it did was give him extra brute strength which he is already stat capped in while locking away all his greatest abilities and weapons.
Gil knows all his weapons? Big deal, Herc can naked wrestle him into submission, and we all know Gil would secretly enjoy it.
While Gil is probably the most powerful servant he can't do much against ORT or other superior beings, and if you ask me Rin's Saber is even stronger than him.
>>113709387
>Non of which he knows how to wield.
>takes out some weapons to show their cool ability against Shirou and Saber
He does know at least a bit of them.
>>113705166
ORT, duh.
>>113709191
You still need go explain what Emiya's perfect counter to Gil's swordrain is from the Vimana, assuming the best case scenario wherein he doesn't resort to its nuclear arms and Ea.
>>113709440
>He does know at least a bit of them.
Way less than Archer.
>>113709400
>Saber
Why not Archer? You're just asking for Herakles to get steamroller even faster than he would be otherwise.
>>113709502
He doesn't even need to know them all implicitly, so that doesn't even matter. A fight against serious Gil isn't a fight in close quarters.
>>113709573
It doesn't even matter, he could be summoned as any class. The only thing Gil has that could kill him while he isn't insane is Ea, and he'd have to do even that 9 times.
>>113709671
>and he'd have to do that nine times
Hah. No.
>>113709671
Probably couldn't be summoned as Caster
>>113709634
It does matter. With every NP fired he's unknowingly giving Archer more and more tools to use against him
>>113709671
You mean besides the countless Phantasms that Gil was spamming and killing Herakles with in UBW? Without the Strength boost, Enkidu will slow him down even more.
Ea isn't even worth bringing up. It'll take out all of his lives at once.
>>113709400
Nasu stated that Heracles worst enemy is Gil.
>>113709788
He was Berserker in FSN. And the only time Enkidu is even mentioned is in CCC, so why even bring him up?
so what keeps gil from just flying out of reach, chain down the target, and then EA/GoB the target till there is nothing left?
>>113709752
Unknowingly? Gil knows exactly what Archer's brand of magecraft is.
Can Gil kill an Aristoteles or perhaps the guy with Slash Emperor?
>>113709891
His own pettiness, stupidity and arrogance mostly.
>>113709870
Because Enkidu is the Chain of Heaven that happens to fuck Herakles up.
>>113709870
The chains are named Enkidu
>>113705166
Assuming Gilgamesh as a Heroic Spirit in Archer class?
All Ultimate Ones, Zelretch, possibly Aoko Aozaki, Saber with Avalon, any Heroic Spirit or Counter Guardian summoned at full power via Alaya or Gaia, Slash Emperor, EMIYA and Shirou as well if they manage to UBW and prevent Gil from drawing Ea.
>>113708815
>hitler not rider
Blitzkrieg Noble Phantasm all day every day.
If he's going all out there isn't a single character from the Fate franchise that can beat him.
Nasu has stated himself that much. Gil only lost in F/sn because he wasn't even beginning to try.
Even all those broken characters from Extra/CCC aren't much of a match to him.
>>113708444
>Hitler
Rider, Lancer, Assassin
Rider based around Nazi Germany's military prowess
Lancer based around the occult
Assassin...for the six gorillion
>>113709940
but when we talk about serious gil? You would need to have a hero capable of flight, low divinity but high strength for the chains, and high agility to not get skewered.
The only one I would think could have a chance is hermes.
boots with wings for flight/agility, cap of invisibility to not get EA'd, mirror shield for for of the shit that might hit him. I believe he didnt become a god after his legend so his divinity wouldnt be too high
>>113709968
Heroic Spirits at full power aren't automatically hot shit. Saber with Avalon needs foreknowledge of Ea. Emiya and Shirou are never getting UBW up, and Shirou himself admitted he would lose to a calm Gil even within the marble.
>>113710011
>Nasu has stated himself that much
Source, and what you're saying is a big lie, Gil is a mid-tier character, he can't do much against aristoteles
>>113710011
Gilgamesh just can't kill something that has no Gaian concept of Death. Aka, even as a complete Heroic Spirit, he could spam full Ea on let's say, Type Mercury, and he wouldn't manage to kill it.
Alexander with a master that isn't shit. He only lost because of Waver being a shitty partner to him.
>>113710129
Alexander lost because he isn't so strong to begin with (Medusa would wreck his ass) and because Gil had Enkidu, which is enough to beat him (just like Hercules couldn't do much against him)
>>113710129
Gil overwhelmed him without trying.
>>113710073
>>113709989
>people call hitler mad
>can summon him as berzerker
>because he is not mad he just gets the enchantment without losing his sanity
>blitzkrieg NP allows him to get insane speed
>revolver NP allows him to kill legends with a single gunshot
>>113705166
Didn't Illya do it using double Zelretch magic?
>>113710107
Losing to ORT does not make you mid-tier. Gilgamesh is still the strongest Heroic Spirit, and never seemed to think he was in an unfavorable position even against gods. It took the original mother goddess for that (even if certain others like Amaterasu would qualify).
>>113710108
Types aren't from the Fate franchise.
>>113705166
Saber=King Arther
>>113709968
>All Ultimate Ones
Not necessarily all of them, but I'm sure plenty of them would fuck him up.
>Zelretch, possibly Aoko Aozaki
Maybe, maybe not. Zel only got lucky with TM, because the latter had no idea about magic.
A serious Gil is likely to develop some countermeasures.
>Saber with Avalon
She's beaten him when he wasn't going all out and was hardly being serious.
Furthermore, she has to step down of Avalon to be able to attack.
I guess it'll depend more on her strategy to win - and I can't remember Arturia ever being presented as a good strategist or tactician.
>any Heroic Spirit or Counter Guardian summoned at full power via Alaya or Gaia
Plenty of those are just scrubs next to Gil, so no.
Even a full CG EMIYA would likely have trouble.
>Slash Emperor
You mean Ado Edem? Because Slash Emperor is just his sword, and it takes quite some time to prepare.
>Shirou as well if they manage to UBW and prevent Gil from drawing Ea
No, Shirou can only beat Gil if he's literally going full retard like he did in UBW - i.e he can only beat Gil through PIS.
>>113710129
Iskandar is nothing to servants like Gil, Karna and Herakles.
>>113710274
So why is Zelretch still a vampire in the Fate universe then?
>>113709989
>Blitzkrieg
>Not Guderian's NP
At least give the NP to the correct person.
>>113710327
What? Type Moon works share a universe, vit the types didn't come from a Fate series.
>>113710264
He is the stronger servant, but he is still behind all the other superior entities such as aristoteles, dark sakura and such, which are top-tier.
I wouldn't say he could beat rin's saber and EMIYA's UBW is the best RM to counter his GOB.
>>113710107
Aristotles aren't part of the Fate franchise.
OP was talking about the Fate franchise not TM in general.
There's no one stronger than Gilgamesh in the Fate franchise.
>>113710327
We're talking about franchises not universes.
Even if the Types do exist in the universe the Fate franchise takes place, they're still not part of the Fate franchise.
>>113710380
Gil would assrape Dark Sakura.
Hell, he proved stronger than the Sakuras from Extra CCC which are far above Dark Sakura's level.
>>113710306
>Plenty of those are just scrubs next to Gil, so no.
Source?
Zelretch would totally destroy him, you're way overestimating Gil's power. Just because he can beat most of the servants doesn't mean he is the most powerful character of the universe.
>>113710397
>There's no one stronger than Gilgamesh in the Fate franchise.
And yet he was defeated three times.
>>113710380
Dark Sakura isn't top tier. She isn't even close.
Archer needs to deploy it first. For that, he needs time. Those are seconds serious Gil is not going to give him.
>>113705166
Caren Hortensia GG no re
>>113710469
Because he wasn't being serious.
The topic of this thread is, what happens if he's going all out.
>>113710469
Out of countless routes. Bad ends are canon.
>>113710461
Dark Sakura killed him, just saying.
CCC's Sakura are on a whole different setting, it's like saying arcueid sucks because her extra counterpart is weak.
Saber with Rin as a servant and Avalon could beat him, EMIYA as well. The other servants can't though, maybe Gawain or Lu Bu could try
>>113710306
Counter Guardians, by definition, are summoned with the exact amount of power to handle the situation. Aka any CG summoned by Gaia against Gil would have the power to defeat him. Also yeah I was referring to Ado Edem.
>>113710380
Dark Sakura literally couldn't win against him, that's why we didn't get Black Gil.
>>113710480
Just like no one is going to give Gil enough time to activate Ea
>>113710536
>Dark Sakura killed him, just saying.
read
>>113710512
Beating/killing someone who isn't even trying and who's acting retarded doesn't mean your stronger than them, just that they weren't trying.
The topic here is, what if he does try.
If Gil is going all out, Dark Sakura gets fucked. That's all there is to it.
>>113710544
Gaia can't even gauge Gil's power well enough to back up Arcueid. You're overestimating the Counter Force if you think any hero will do the trick.
>>113710512
>Because he wasn't being serious.
Because he can't be serious in any way, he ridiculously careless.
power levels mean nothing, anyone can defeat even the most powerful of beings with the right abilities / preparation / surprise / tactics / etc. in type moon stories, including these two idiots. Deal with it.
>>113710636
You do realize they failed in that episode right?
>>113710606
why does it need to guage gil's power? can't gaia just summon another copy of gil to kill human race murdering gil?
>>113710544
You're thinking power in terms of raw power, which is what Gaia/Alaya can modify.
Gaia/Alaya doesn't take Gil's NPs into account - and those happen to the one of the reasons why he's so broken.
This is the very reason why Nasu said Gil would be a terrible match-up for Arcueid, because the Gaia modifier would take into account Gil's raw strength, not his NPs.
>>113710573
They won't have a choice. A serious Gilgamesh can just hop onto the Vimana and rain hell from above. Ea isn't even necessary at that point if he decides to just nuke the whole place.
>>113710614
He can be serious see HA, Zero and CCC.
In F/sn he was just written as a shitty villain. Hell, you're told that much in CCC.
F/sn is just Gil acting retarded. Don't take him as an example of what a serious Gil can do.
>>113710693
and that just makes the fact that even they can kill the most powerful heroes / mages / vampires / etc. all the more illustrative of the fact that power levels mean very little.
>>113710787
And all that he do there is GB spam and Ea use. There is no sewious Gil, it's pure luck that he sometimes can be less retarded.
>>113710599
Dark Sakura has an endless source of mana and can beat almost each servant.
He already killed her, going all out wouldn't have changed this
>>113710721
As if everyone would just let him go and do as he pleases. You're imagining a fight were gil is serious and the others are idiots.
>>113710823
Oh snap, I forgot Aoko and Touko are together in that ending.
>>113711056
No, you're told he wasn't being serious in F/sn in both HA and CCC.
Hell, you can see in his fight against Iskander in Zero what happens when he goes all out.
>>113711078
Endless source of mana means nothing.
Gil can still blow her out.
>>113710823
Can Shiki rape Aoko, or will Aoko rape Shik.
>>113711233
>Shik
Shiki*
>>113711141
Yeah. Most of them wouldn't have a choice.
It's a pointless thread, anyway. The materials already mention Gil is the strongest character out of Zero and FSN. He probably only loses to the very top of CCC, like the mother goddess and Amaterasu.
>>113711216
>Hell, you can see in his fight against Iskander in Zero what happens when he goes all out.
And that he do? Ea pull, GB spam, enki and death. Same as always.
>>113708636
What class would Big Boss be?
>>113711468
Indeed, the difference is he won't be doing stuff stupid like trying to pull Ea out in the middle of a close-range all out battle, or other stupid stuff like just raining a few swords on Sakura.
Furthermore, Ea beam he used on Iskander's RM was Ea going anti-world. The one he used on Saber was a very depowered one, single-unit attack.
>>113711313
The only thing stated is that he has the most powerful NP, the rest is just you assuming things wrong.
If you were to judge them by stats and malus bonus like Alexander's weakness against Enkidu then Rin's Saber with Avalon is as strong as him.
>>113711216
He did blow her out, people die when their heads are choppes. Yet he lost.
>>113711767
And yet he already use all his stuff in battle with with Saber and Shirou and still lose.
>The one he used on Saber was a very depowered one, single-unit attack.
It was at full power already.
>>113711767
No point in using the anti world against Saber when she would excaliblast his face in the meantime
>>113711767
>Indeed, the difference is he won't be doing stuff stupid like trying to pull Ea out in the middle of a close-range all out battle, or other stupid stuff like just raining a few swords on Sakura.
It's sounds like batman's preparation plan.
>>113711903
How about you read the materials before saying he's wrong.
>The Archer class Servant of the Fourth Holy Grail War. Though he was summoned by Tohsaka Tokiomi, he ended up deserting his master and re-contracting with Kotomine Kirei. He is the strongest character in both Fate/stay night and Fate/Zero.
>>113711903
>He did blow her out
He didn't. He turned her into a pin-cushion. But he didn't blow her out.
Had he done that. HF would have ended right there.
>>113711921
No, it wasn't. See Zero, HA and CCC.
That's Ea going at full power.
>>113711940
He has plenty of shit in GoB to keep Saber busy, so he can charge up Ea.
Of course, if she uses Avalon, it would be fucking stupid to try to do that.
>>113712055
Nah... Gil is nowhere near Batman or Doom when it comes down to strategy, but he was indeed portrayed as going full retard in stay night.
I'm not trying to wank him, but that's how it is.
Of course, being the strongest doesn't mean he cannot be defeated.
If you have enough strong servants and a good plan on how to neutralise Gil, beating a serious Gil might be possible.
However, a serious Gil is likely to fuck you up most of the time.
>>113712258
We're assuming she uses avalon.
>>113712133
Such a great explanation for an universe that works just like rock paper scissor
>>113712258
>No, it wasn't. See Zero, HA and CCC.
Yes, they just reveal that Anti-world status means in later Fate's. But it's still stated that he use Ea at full power in the battle with Saber. He thinks that Excalibur is worthy sword and he can pull Ea to counter him.
>>113712258
Calling "Gilgamesh is nigh-unbeatable within Fate when serious" wanking when Nasu has circlejerked that statement for years is becoming obnoxious. A lot of the posts in this thread are just anons sticking up for their favorites even though their chances are slim.
>>113712258
>Nah... Gil is nowhere near Batman or Doom when it comes down to strategy, but he was indeed portrayed as going full retard in stay night.
It was about that if he already knows all about his enemies then of course he can kill them. But if batman was defeated - it's always because he was unprepared for this.
>>113712438
The explanation being that Gil is scissors, and Heroic Spirits are paper. Even without compatibility he's worth five Servants in firepower, but having counters to almost every hero makes him an even bigger monster.
>>113712539
It's because Gil was already defeated three times in original F/Sn. He strongest servant, but not undefeatable.
>>113708815
Napoleon was literally the Alexsander of his time. He would be Rider.
>>113712438
You're assuming she uses Avalon against a weapon she only knows about because it trashed her early in the route.
>>113712704
>Napoleon
>NP pic related
>>113712465
The problem is that when it goes Anti-World it does far more damage. The way it compresses the wind is entirely different.
Excalibur has nothing to do against Enuma Elish when it's unleashed the way it should be.
>>113712539
True, Nasu does make him out to be really strong.
>>113712613
The issue is different here, though.
It's not whether Gil is prepared or not, but whether he's being serious.
In F/sn he really was just retarded.
Compare F/sn to how he was in Zero, HA (when he wasn't Ko-Gil) and CCC, in which, even if he's still very cocky, he's far more composed and ready to take things seriously.
>>113712695
He was never going all out from the onset in any route.
>>113711878
>not Archer
>Not being Gil with guns instead of swords
>>113712774
>It's not whether Gil is prepared or not, but whether he's being serious.
Already was in UBW, being serious is not help him against teenager.
>>113712996
>Already was in UBW
Are you really using the route in which was the most retarded to say he was serious?
>>113713042
So he serious in battle with Iskander when he already prepared for battle?
>>113705166
Bazett. Ea into fragarach.
>>113713166
I'm not entirely sure you know how to type, but please understand this.
Gil is only serious with people he full respects. Gil fully respected Iskandar as a king, and as a leader
>>113713268
>Gil fully respected Iskandar as a king, and as a leader
>>113713418
Are you saying he didn't?
That's the sole reason he didn't kill Waver.
>>113712648
Not really, but it's nice to see you haven't read any of the nasuverse works.
>>113713418
Are you stupid? It was made pretty clear the Gil respected Alex, and allowed Waver to live only because of Alex's influence on Waver
>>113713418
Dude you should reread or rewatch f/z again.
>>113705485
it's so puffy
>>113707759
The way you constructed that sentence implied that you were asking which character going all out could defeat Gil, not which character could defeat Gil if Gil was going all out.
Don't blame them for an awkwardly constructed sentence.
>>113705166
His mum.
>>113713504
Right back at you. Let's see your claims that Gilgamesh doesn't have a compatibility advantage against most heroes.
You send the greatest Jew to defeat a filthy Babylonian
The filthy goy doesn't own the greatest weapon entrusted by Yahweh to man
>>113713504
That's Gil's thing. He has positive compatibility against all servants. No servant exists that he cannot counter at least partially. Try not to spread your idiocy around too much.
>>113714007
You're the one who has to say what he would do against rin's saber bro.
Her stats are arguably better than his zero and better than his stay night part.
>>113714109
>oh look its david
>he's shinji of green
why does shinji get to be the cool heroes? first was perseus and now this guy
>>113714276
Gil can just fire a constant barrage at Rin while charging Ea blasts. Saber would be helpless.
>>113714276
He never even addressed your boner for Rin's Saber.
>>113714109
You now realize he's not wearing pants.
>>113714433
You're seriously assuming Gil's opponent is a dumb doll who just stands still.
>>113714472
It'd be a waste of time.
>>113714501
He was a shepherd who turned King by killing Goliathserker
Also the King who indirectly killed his best soldier just so he can have sexy time with his wife
>>113714546
I am. Manipulating saber into using poor strategy would be beyond simple, especially for a master manipulator like Gil. If Gil attacks from the Vimana, he couldn't be hit by any of saber's attacks.
>>113714709
A lot of people like to pretend the Vimana doesn't exist.
>>113714709
That means he would be able to go on his vimana and saber wouldnt just excaliblast it
>>113714709
Lacenlot got to destroy it
>>113705166
Egill Skallagrímson. Oh, he hasn't make an appearance in Fate/? Nasu's such apleb.
>>113714834
The vimana is fast enough to avoid excaliblasts.
Excalibur is a conspicuous attack that requires a pause to use. The vimana is a fast-as-he-feels-like-going spaceship, and can't really be hit besides by other aircraft.
>>113714873
Lancelot had a F-18 Noble Phantasm at the time, not a one or two use sword laser.
>>113714873
Lancelot was airborne and Gilgamesh was toying with him. Saber can't fly.
A few of the TYPE's could probably nail him, Zelretch if he kept swapping lines every time he came close to losing, Arcueid might be able to throw him if she just throws out Marble Phantasm.
Assuming he threw out Ea as his first move, Bazett might be able to throw down too.
>>113705166
Sakura.
>>113707512
Blocking Ea is enough to allow her to throw an Excalibur at Gil, that's pretty much how it went in Fate.
And if we are talking about a full power Saber, then it would be even easier for her to pull it off.
>>113714926
>Lancelot had a F-18 Noble Phantasm at the time, not a one or two use sword laser.
Now excalibur is a crappy NP as well?
Gil can't teleport to vimana istantly and you can spam excalibur if you don't want to charge it fully. It would still cost a lot of mana.
>>113714937
Gil got his vimana destroyed and that's make him frustered, nice way to toying around.
>>113714834
Good luck excaliblasting an aircraft that can bombard the area a mile overhead from you. Saber's only chance is starting the fight right in Gil's face.
>>113715163
What happens when a servant manas-out? Oh yeah, they go away.
A target on the ground, using a cumbersome weapon with a slow firing rate and high cost simply has poor affinity against a flying target not on a direct intercept course.
So is there only one Zelretch? Because couldn't he just go to different lines and have tea with himself or something
>>113705454
>that fucking quiver position
>leaving your belly exposed
0/10
>>113715143
She never blocked Ea. She hid from it.
That assumes she even knows about the thing and that Gil has no knowledge of Avalon. She all but died meeting that condition and outright fainted in her final fight with Gilgamesh; he could have ended her right there.
>>113715287
Spamming an excalibur isn't enough to make all your mana go out, she have done it in fate zero against iskandar
>>113715489
But how will she hit gil if Gil is 5 miles up and constantly attacking and evading?
Keep in mind, being directly hit by even one GoB weapon is enough to be fatal.
A hypothetical full power gil just can't be beat without the Types becoming involved.
>>113715692
Saber got hit by far more, though. Avalon's regeneration let her pull through, even if GoB was slowly tearing her apart.
She probably doesn't beat hypothetical serious Gil, though. He gave her too many moments of respite.
>>113715692
Gil had to both ride vimana and go away, he can't spawn already on it, and vimana is destroyed though
Powerful mages are enough to beat thim, most of dead apostles as well.
>>113715318
Putting things behind your back is biomechanically stupid. It's the same reason swords weren't ever fashioned behind your back outside of fantasy.
>>113715944
Most dead apostles get shat on. Servants were said to have slight advantages against them, forget Gilgamesh. He most likely just loses to the aristoteles and a few of the others like Primate Murder and unrestricted Arcueid.
taiga with a fly swatter, prove me wrong
>>113716135
It is stated he would've problems with 30% arcueid as well
>>113705166
Easy. He even acknowledged it.
>>113716444
Not at all. Arcueid is the one with "helplessly awful compatibility."
>>113716929
It was, read fanbook
>>113717104
It wasn't.
