Is it possible to make a truly scary anime? What is horror anime missing compared to live movies?
Man, Corpse Party wasn't scary, but I did feel like shit when I finished it.
>Seiko is murdered by her best friend
>Soul trapped and agonizing for all eternity
>Some monster still slaughters her dead body in front of her friends to tease them
>She still forgives the friend that murdered her
>Friend is saved, Seiko is still trapped and agonizing for all eternity
>Real villain is saved, Seiko is still trapped and agonizing for all eternity
>Everyone in the real world forget her, Seiko is still trapped and agonizing for all eternity
>She forgave all of them.
>>142447983
>What is horror anime missing compared to live movies?
Art and animation. If those aren't top-notch it'll immediately kill any tension.Gakkougurashiimmediately stopped being scary when they showed the zombies and they were all awful CG.
>>142448455
>>She still forgives the friend that murdered her
She was possessed, why the fuck shoudn't she "forgive" her?
>>142447983
Cute anime girls turn horror into humor, see: Another
>>142448455
I think Corpse Party lost a lot of tension when it was adapted. Between the top-down 2D art and the audio, the game really messed with your imagination.
>>142448672
The whole suffering-the-pain-and-despair-of-the-moment-of-your-death thing would probably break somebody who wasn't best girl.In Book of Shadows Saeko freaks the fuck out and runs away (right into a neck-level piano wire) after Naomi manages to save her from hanging.
Actual horror/scary-ness.
Perhaps I'm being the odd one out, but 2D is never scary in my books. They're capable of creating tension comparatively to live-action, sure. But making me frighten even from a jump scare? Never.
Yami shibai had a few good episodes.
Yoshiki was the best. Nuff said.
>>142449336
Season 3 was so bad. I'm still angry about it.
Lain was pretty tense. It would have to be something like that.
>>142449336
Only in season 1, seasons 1 and 3 are shit
Second OAV of Seto no Hanayome. Funny considering this one's a comedy
>>142447983
It's a cartoon. At best you'll scare some little kids and traumatize them turning them into pussies with a phobia of cartoons.
>>142448618
Don't forget sound as well. And directing.
To be frank it needs to be a good anime, which is a rare sight.
The only anime in my HDD and I'm not joking.
>>142453109
That looks horrific, but is the entire series lit like this?
>>142453109
Kishinuma death scene still gives me the creeps, they really went full despair with those OVAs.
Best parts were the fucking godly OP song and the bath special with Yuka.
Anything that seems supernatural can be explained logically, and the slasher/culprit is not of a supernatural origin. This is seemingly impossible for the Japanese though, since they can't help but make curses and gods and demons or some other dumb bullshit part of their horror, especially in anime
>>142453109
Is it worth watching if I haven't played the game? What about manga?
>>142447983
The scariest horror anime i watched was the one where they showed magical girls being endlessly raped by tentacles with no hope of rescue and not even being allowed to die while they scream and beg for it to stop.
Just imagining being in their shoes makes me shiver.
>>142453401
>Is it worth watching if I haven't played the game?
It might be but just bare in mind that the game is better in just about every way.
I haven't read the manga but I've heard it's decent enough.
The only thing in anime that could even remotely scared me was that particular arc of Ghost hunt. the one about labyrinth or something I think.
Nope, They'd have to filter out a long of things and it wouldn't be worth it.
I mean reading trash is pretty nasty but it's just a load of organs splattering every where.
>>142453401
game is much better
>>142453436
>she didn't get any other scene other than the opening of the 1st episode
Well, that was disappointing.
>>142448455
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdVIcVcquSk
This scene fucking ruined me, and I cried like a bitch.
God, this whole series was way to cruel to Seiko. There is no way at all to give her a happy ending, let a lone a happy ending with Naomi.
Episode 22 of oniisama e... is the only anime that scared me.
>>142447983
I'd love to see Junji Ito's works as a good anime. Unfortunately, they failed completly in making Gyo.
I don't believe that it's harder to make a scary anime than making a scary live movie. However, I'm a bad test person. The only movie that really scared me was Blair Witch Project when I watched it at the age of 12 or so and I watched a whole lot of horror movies.
>>142447983
It is, or did you forget about Gravitation?
>>142453939
Being a literal homophobic isn't healthy, anon.
>>142447983
Corpse Party was never scary.
It was tense, disgusting, shocking, violent, unsettling and heartbreaking, but it wasn't scary.
The only remotely scary party across the entire series was the radio show playback in BoS.
That said, it's just too late for Japan. They've lost their edge completely when it comes to horror. Watch Ringu compared to the recent Sadako 3D movies. Watch Ao Oni or the fucking Corpse Party live action movie. It's the same with games and mango too.
>>142454317
>It was tense, disgusting, shocking, violent, unsettling and heartbreaking, but it wasn't scary.
It wasn't even that. The scenario they create is so contrived that it's difficult to suspend your disbelief and sympathise with the characters, and the gore seems to have been thrown in to keep our interest rather than to shock. I don't think any of the death scenes were as disturbing as the particularly gory bits of eva.
>>142448455
>Corpse Party wasn't scary
It was much scarier in low detail sprite and text form.
>>142451279
Mainly because when Blood Drive rolled around everyone who wasn't Yoshiki turned into a gibbering retard.
>>142454403
>contrived
It's just a standard "ghost holds grudge over murder" scenario.
>>142454317
>the radio show playback in BoS.
That bit was great.
Also, Sayaka did nothing wrong.;_;
https://youtu.be/h0ytFDJjKmg
Best BGM
just make a ghost or a skeleton come at the screen at 5-10 minute intervals with a loud scream
![the.blair.witch.project.1999.1080p.bluray.x264-filmhd.mkv_snapshot_00.18.20_[2016.06.05_11.50.48].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Udk55qx.jpg "the.blair.witch.project.1999.1080p.bluray.x264-filmhd.mkv_snapshot_00.18.20_[2016.06.05_11.50.48].jpg")
Ghost Hunt was pretty spooky, but I think truly scary with anime is impossible. The viewer doesn't have that connection to reality with animated characters so already whatever happens to them is not as real as it would be with real people. Like if anime tried to replicate the lost footage style films, it wouldn't be half as scary because the characters aren't real so it's not remotely believable therefore you couldn't possibly be scared by it. The closer horror relates to the viewer the more scary it is, which is why Paranormal Activity works so well, it turns an everyday standard setting into something scary, the viewer themselves will be in a setting similar to the film so that makes it far more unsettling which helps to make it scary.
Blair Witch Project was shit though, watched it yesterday for the first time.
>>142453162
That's probably the least horrifying of all the death scenes.
I'm just sad the series was a 4 eps. Felt too rushed compared to the game.
>>142455539
I think it can work a tiny bit if they do something like hauntings related to crimes that happened a long time ago. Like the backstory in Corpse Party. It's hard to screw up reading about a crime that happened many years ago.
>>142453522
Yes, and the scene where those people that were acting normal earlier in the day suddenly pour out like zombies one night.
It doesn't help that I watched a marathon of the show at fucking midnight beside a huge window.
Only Ghost Hunt was able to scare me legitimately. Others were just immersion-breaking scenarios or downright nasty gore.
Should I just get the 3DS version of Corpse Party when it comes out? It's supposed to be the most complete version of the first game, right?
>>142459962
Or just emulate the PSP version. There aren't going to be many changes and no significant ones from what I've read.
>>142447983
>implying movies are scary
Are you 10?
>>142447983
Yes, but it would require extensive use of CGI.
>>142459744
>>142455539
>>142453522
I haven't watched Ghost Hunt. Is it complete or it has a "read the source material" ending?
The premise/ending of possession/transformation H doujins cross into pretty decent horror territory. One of the chapters in
Hasshaku Hachi wa Kairaku Meguri ~Igyou Kaikitan~ has a pregnant woman forcibly turned into a cow and it shows her foetus slowly morphing into a calf.
Kowabon was alright.
>>142461419
>Transformation H doujinsBut that's not scary, that's hot.
>>142461754They are, aren't they?
Depending on how it happens and what the end result looks like it could also be completely offputting or even disturbing though.
Am I the only one who thought Another at least started out kinda spoopy? The first few episodes were nice and slow paced and they had a "scary" vibe (with the character/art and sound design) until it all went to shit. Even the first death scene had an impact on the audience since it was unexpected and bizarre.
>>142462326
It was genuinely creepy, especially with the backstory. The whole thing was one big waste of potential.
>>142462326
literally the scariest part was it's theme
(it starts pretty quiet)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ4_YvskQm0
>>142447983
Those tits are too distracting
>>142463021
Half of the gore in the game is filled with panty shots.And the creator's piss fetish.
Which version is the best for BloodCovered ? PC or PSP ?
>>142463136
The 3DS version looks like it's gonna be the ultimate version, with everything from both previous releases along with new chapters.
Otherwise, you're better off playing both of them.
>>142463258
Ok i guess i'll wait for the 3DS version if they use the dub from the PSP, i don't know why they hired new seiyuus for the PC version and i don't want them.
By the way is there a release date for the 3DS ?
>>142463375
>I don't know why they hired new seiyuus for the PC version and i don't want them.
The PC version was released first. The indie seiyuu in it are the original ones.
The 3DS version comes out at the end of August and it has all of the PSP voices.
>>142463450
>The PC version was released first. The indie seiyuu in it are the original ones.
I see. I thought it was the opposite.
I want the PSP voices for consistency since it's the same seiyuus in the 2nd and 3rd games.
The original Higurashi VN did horror somewhat alright. Although it's more of a mix between mystery and physiological thriller than straight up horror for the most part.
I don't understand how people can get scared at a fucking TV screen. How impressionable are you?
>>142463068
Yeah, there's way too much fucking piss in that game.
>>142462326
I agree, I haven't heard anything of Another when I started watching it so I had no idea in what I was getting intoin more ways than one
>>142464419
I had the pleasure of watching that trainwreck unfold as it aired. It was amazing.
>>142447983
You know what the problem is?
People insert jump-scares into every fucking thing.
It doesn't make a good horror, it's just a cheap jolt that shows how trash the creator's creativity is.
It's not just a problem with anime, most things made nowadays aren't 'truly' scarey and instead rely on loud noises.
>>142464240
>Yeah, there's way too much fucking piss in that game.
Has the creator ever outright stated that he has a pissing fetish?
Honestly I'm trying to think of an anime that ever legitimately worked as horror to me even for part of the series and I'm drawing a blank. Maybe the first 2-3 episodes of Higurashi? Even that didn't work to the end of its first arc though.
>>142448757
>>142447983
Another is the only anime that actually managed to be "scary", too bad it got an awfull and cliched story(but which horror movie doesn't?). The whole Another atmosphere made you feel that something was about to jump into your face though it never actually happened, if they pair Another director with a competent writer they could create a masterpiece.
>>142447983
>any horror
>ever good
Pick one, this genre is literally made for 5yo.
>>142465554
Ai Nonaka's voice was wasted on that character.
>>142467034
Agreed, such a shame she died so early.
1st arc of Higurashi was pretty good from what I remember.
>>142447983
Not really horror but a proper Tsukihime adaptation could have some geniunely creepy moments, especially far side of tsuki
>>142463564
Why not just emulate the PSP version?
>>142454951
I prefer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6DZOgjA0nU
Also didn't Seiko and the others souls who died in heavenly host get saved by Ayumi sacrificing herself in Corpse Party Blood Drive?
Mononoke had great tension building and direction which actually gave me goosebumps many times. Such a shame it never got another season. The cat story was probably my favorite one.
>>142471043
Spoiler that shit man.
But really Blood Drive feels sort of tacked on plot wise in my opinion, and the designs of the new characters feels outlandish.
>>142468175
The 5th is really good too. But Higurashi is more insane than really scary. Even if "Usoda" IS scary.
>>142471043
That song really makes me wish there was more of an in-depth look at what happened at the school back in the day. The lore of Corpse Party is the best part for me.
>>142471295
>Mononoke
I didn't really find it scary in any way, but it was atmospheric as fuck.Fuck you, now I need to rewatch it.
Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOsH_LbpbWU
>>142453436
I too want to shiver.What anime?
>>142472602
It wasn't scary more sort of kind of eerie feel to in but in a good way.
Corpse Party was made largely by its sound direction combined with text description and only sparingly used CGs leaving you to visualize much of the detail yourself. The anime demonstrated that if it was shown in any more detail and without the binaural sound direction you just get cheap guro porn instead.
>>142472408
>>142471506
Speaking of lore and tacked-on plots, are the timeloops actually canon and they repeated the scenario several times before getting the true end, or is Book of Shadows just what-if stories?
>>142447983
Ayumi is cute!
>>142475305
This. I was blown away by the sound in the games and it was almost all that was needed to let your imagination do the rest.
>>142475371
I think the only episode from book of shadows that is canon is the Blood Drive prologue you get from completing the other chapters. The other chapters are basically from the time loop bad ending from the first game.
>>142475305
>>142477605
The sound effects are the best I've ever heard from any visual novel. Higurashi and Umineko could benefit from them.
>>142471295
The incense arc gave me the creeps.When the dudes discover what happened to them and start "freaking out" made me jump.
The first Bakeneko arc before its spinoff was really good.
>>142479729
But then you have funky shit like the necklace from Sachiko's Birthday 2U being in Blood Drive implying that the gag comedy game is somehow canon, a game which also implied that the time loops are canon
>>142475371
>>142479729
>>142481963
>Timeloops
Welp, looks like I'm never gonna play anything past the first game. Timeloops are way too overused at this point.
While Another wasn't actually scary it did do one thing really well for most of it
It had amazing sound design. If that sound design was added to a more seriously creepy anime it might actually scare people.
>>142447983
3D people
Seiko didn't deserve anything that happened to her.
>>142482386
They play a very small part in that they help link the three main games together. It's not as if your enjoyment will be any less if you give them and their implications no thought at all though.
>>142447983
The anime is just a brainless gorefest that tries to kill of as many of the cast as possible as opposed to tge game.
>>142447983
>implying live movies are scary
>>142482483
Go watch Ghost Hound.
>>142482765
That ending scene in the first Corpse Party destroyed me
>No hard feelings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIAJ5jYG0ko
>>142482386
Corpse Party sets the stage.
Corpse Party Book of Shadows is split between episodes occurring in the time loop bad ending and episodes of side characters back story and explanations on how they got stuck in heavenly host. Characters such as Yui the teacher and Mitsuki, the girl you bump in to in the first game while searching for Yuka I think. Unlocks Blood Drive prologue when completed.
Corpse Party Blood Drive picks up from where the blood drive prologue episode in Book Of Shadows left off.
The time loop only happens in half of Book Of Shadows and it isn't really canon to the proper ending.
>>142447983
Maybe not "scary" but "creepy and unnerving" like Elfin Lied and most late 80s-early 90s OVAs and movies like Legend of Overfiend.
>>142482961
>the girl you bump in to in the first game while searching for Yuka
Best (non-main) girl.
What are some scary or legendary monsters/ghosts/etc from horror anime?
>>142447983
Yes, and they do exist, but they aren't well known.
>>142483075
Squealer?
>>142483075
I think it'd be easier to look for legendary monsters/ghosts/etc. from Japan in general. Okiku is a particularly neat ghost story, for example.
Reminder that Azusa did nothing wrong
>>142483451
Who?
>>142447983
The art style is the biggest issue really, when comparing anime to live action. If it's too cartoony with regular character designs, it just can't be scary. Take Shiki- while the pink haired girl was stalking MC outside his bedroom, it was all sepia toned and actually creepy. Then as soon as she starts getting shown normally, the pink hair and tits and tacky clothes destroyed any possible creepiness with how typically garish it is.
To make it work a legitimately artistic touch is necessary to create atmosphere, something like Mononoke could work if it was more intentionally horror oriented. It was a little creepy as is.
It's cartoons and not real people which inherently makes it less relatable/scary. The format of TV anime also really isn't conducive to the horror genre, given how short episodes are.
>>142448455
Maybe it's because I watched someone else play, but I can kind of agree with the first one overall not being that scary except for one or two parts and overall being more disgusting with the possibility to mess with you.Also strangely erotic
>>142484895
I think cartoons have the potential to be as scary as live action but in a different way because there's no limit to how surreal it can get. But I think it would take the sort of creativity and budget you'd be lucky to find in anime.
Are there any anthology shows beside Yami Shibai? I always like those kind of shows.
>>142481884
I really, really, really love Mononoke, but I don't really think it ever managed to surpass the original Bakeneko arc in Ayakashi. Even so, all of the Kusuriuri's adventures are incredible.
>>142447983
Texhnolyze. That anime can fuck you up.
Kaiba is also arguably capable of being scary.
Serial Experiments Lain could be pretty creepy if you're young, I guess, but beyond all the aloofness the message is pretty positive, especially compared to how relentlessly "fuck you" Texhnolyze is, so...
Only time I ever got any feel of fear in an Anime was from Shiki when the one pink girl was outside MCs window or under his bed or whatever. Freaky shit.
>>142453399
Isn't that possibly a cultural thing?
Like one of the reasons why I can see what you describe working in the US and possibly the West as a whole is a because the dark parts of human nature aren't necessarily covered up. In fact we seem to have a morbid fascination with those who are what we consider human and yet at the same time far from it, with the media exploiting that.
I could also see it being a cultural thing in that the folklore of the US ebbs and flows depending on what part of the country you're from. In the Northeast you have the Salem Witch Trials and maybe some of the spooky folklore that permeates Western Europe and in the South you have Voodoo and other African religious practices. Maybe Native American folklore is brought up from time to time, but other than that I can't think of much off the top of my head.
In contrast I could see how Europe, Japan, and other places with older cultures would just as readily embrace the more supernatural side of things because it's a part of them.
>>142447983
lovecraft
>>142447983
I will call kyoanus "Godani" if they can manage to create a good horror anime.
Le Portrait de Petition Cossette was probably the most unnerving anime I ever saw.
Ghost Hound get the second place.
Neither was especially scary, but were creepy enough that I didn't want to bother watching to the end
I don't get how anyone can enjoy watching characters suffer in terror before dying horrible deaths
What's the appeal?
>>142485431
That scene where she comes after his friend seemed like an homage to Nosferatu
>>142462326
Another was creepy and kind of interesting in the same way Corpse Party is, but I think what ultimately may prevent the latter being scary is also present in Another.
I think Another also possibly had a thing going on where you weren't watching so much to be scared but as to see in what sort of way the next character was going to die.
The anime actually made me pick up the book, but since I was watching it at the same time I never made it that far in. If I ever do pick up again it'll be interesting to see how the anime differs from it and ifthe ending actually answers the question of why this shit is happening in the first place
>>142486610
Regular enjoyment or sexual?
>>142447983
Except live movies are not "truly scary" either. When was the last time you saw a movie that scared you? There are more scary things in life than creepy haunted ghost and dead little girls.
No anime, but spoopy manhwa exists
>>142483451
>Squealer
>monster
>scary
>>142486106
It's kinda sad how the US has little supernatural folklore in comparison to the rest of the world.
>>142471295
I was going to mention this too. Mononoke wasn't scary but if you want to make a good horror anime it has to have the same kind of mood. To put it another way, any anime that has an obligatory beach/hot springs episode probably wouldn't make good horror. Pandering to the audience is generally the exact opposite of what you want to do if you're trying to scare them (which is the same reason why lots of Western "horror" films aren't very scary).
>>142489518
In the grand scheme of things our country is relatively young and culturally is blend of other cultures with not a lot taken from the Native Americans.
I also wouldn't say that we don't have lot, but that not a lot of it is exactly original or as I said in my original post viewed as pertinent. A lot of it would be ghosts and magic which you can find in other cultures, possibly because of them.
A lot of the original things are kind of ambiguous as well, Bigfoot, the Mothman, Chupacabra. Another thing is that the US is big and so unless a particular piece of folklore manages to enter the national consciousness like the above, it may only be known by those who live within a certain region. Some like the Headless Horseman may have been so obscured by media that its folklore roots are forgotten.
Honestly though I'm no expert.
the end of evangelion is one of the most terrifying pieces of art i've ever consumed
I'll tell you what's scary, this.
>>142453306
I thought the OP was pretty good too and fit the series well. Wasn't aware there was a bath special though, with Yuka nonetheless. Will have to look for that.
>>142453522
If I'm correctly recalling the same episodes you are, they definitely seemed the most horrifying from the descriptions I read.
Watching Another for the first time was probably the closest I'll get to Stephen King's experience with watching Blair Witch Project. In that I was watching it in a near delirious state in an already spooky environment.
I don't know why, but even thinking about the ambient atmosphere of the school gives me chills to this day, and I had been a huge horror nut for years at that point.
>>142489518
There is, but it's descended from Native American folktales, or from Afro-Carribean voodoo that got into bayous.
Just go to old towns in America and you'll find local folklore.
>>142487339
The anime already explained why it's happening. The Misaki who died in the 70s caused the class to become close to death because they were so in denial about their class idol dying so tragically. This basically creates a cycle of students of the class, or people related by blood by one degree to said students will die in accidents because of that closeness to death. And people who die can be brought back as that "extra".
tl;dr being killed off as a result of that phenomenon puts them in the pool of people can be made into a spare for later years
Now the question is; can stop the phenomenon if you kill everyone in the class and their relatives? How can you stop it for good?
>>142447983
>corpse party
Bi-annual reminder that Yoshiki deserved better.
https://youtu.be/rZ4obBpKCCQ?t=41m12s
>>142454499
Ayumi and Yoshiki were the most capable in the first place when she wasn't flipping her shit
so while avoiding spoilers I have gathered enough information from this thread to assume one thing:
Corpse part is worth watching?
>>142488259
Scans never, though.
>>142494971
Yoshiki still was the best.
>>142494872
Agreed.
Yoshiki was the only one with a real personality, real goal, and a real ass to know what's what. The only character worth a damn in the whole franchise.
So is there any anime that pulls off horror well where it's the main focus? I'm running out of horror movies and I must have more.
>>142494872
Yoshiki went past the role of best characterstraight into husbando material. As expected of a character voiced by Nakamura.
Art style plays a big part. This show pulls off some seriously creepy faces and it's a generic shonen.
>>142453109
I know exactly what's going through those girls' minds right now.
"You gonna eat that?"
>>142495311
>>142448455
Poor imouto is what got to me.
>>142495049
>Watching
Absolutely not. The game is where it's at. See >>142459962 >>142463258 and >>142463450 if you want suggestions on which version to get.
>>142495049
Just play the game and emulate it.
Then watch the anime for an alternate ending.
>>142495358
Looks like those illustrations from those old kids' scary story books.
Why is she so perfect?
>>142465985
>Another is the only anime that actually managed to be "scary"
Holy shit, I seriously hope it's bait.
>>142495586
I think he's just talking about the atmosphere from the beginning. It was alright up until the show went full-on Final Destination.
>>142494633
Well perhaps why it happened was the wrong thing to say because I was aware of the general reason.
What it felt like the anime didn't answers was the mechanics and if it could be stopped. Felt kind of weird that once it had passed the survivors seemingly just decided it wasn't their problem anymore.
>>142494971
The anime is really only worth watching for the OP and a few other things, the Yuka scene in my opinion for example. Overall it's really rushed.
You're in luck though because the arguably definitive version is being released on the 3DS.
>>142495449
I think those were way worse, at least more disgusting.
>>142495548
I think Ryou or Yuki are the scarier ones.
Im guessing nobody even knows what Kagewani is huh?
Episode 1, episode 7, episode 8
season 2's not scary though
I haven't watched Ghost Hound but it looks pretty scary.
Lain and Shinsekai Yori were scary at times. The start of Another was kind of creepy until it went full retard and just became silly. A couple arcs of Higgy were scary. Shiki was kind of scary at times, but more in a paranoid kind of way.
>>142495715
It was a waifu post, anon.
>>142495676
The atmosphere was pretty much non-existent, though. The show went from just dull to completely terrible.
>>142453522
That and the earlier half of the arc with the doll, since I marathoned it late at night.
>>142461411
It's an adaptation of an older novel series, and also has a manga which I haven't read. I'd watch it.
>>142495690
Since they were gonna forget anyways, they probably felt itcouldn't be helped.
That's probably the part that freaks me out, is that you can't plan because people forget the details. Being able to pass on learned experience is one of the things that lead to humans becoming the dominant form of life on the planet, and that being rendered useless is terrifying.
>>142495770
Speak for yourself, the atmosphere scared the hell out of me. Though I don't know if it was more because I was operating on 2 hours of sleep on a stormy night after a 24 hour horror movie marathon.
>>142449336
First season of Yami Shibai was a genuine horror masterpiece much better than any post-00 horror movie not made by David Lynch in my opinion (not that it's much of an achievement, but still)
I'm extremely picky when it comes to horror and it blew me away with how well it did with its atmosphere and suspense. Too bad the following seasons were shit.
>>142495548
I found Yuki to be cuter, but Sachiko is the cutest.
>>142495919
Ah, the part where they forget things did slip my mind. I suppose in a way that is supposed to be scary in the way it messes with your mind and possibly how it could back to haunt you under the right circumstances.
I also agree that Another had some nice atmosphere in the beginning, which the OP, ED, and preview music helped with. It only starts to lose it when you realize that every character is going die in some manner and then it takes on a morbidly comedic tone.
>>142495718
Style reminds me of Horror News and Yami Shibai
>>142496097
I'm trying to figure out why the deaths in another felt so morbidly comedic. Too absurd or contrived?
I just remember the flaming pillar falling on the guy who just exuded an atmosphere of "I made it, thank god, time to bust out of here" had my sides ascend to Azathoth's court.
>>142496013
Cool, I'll check those out anon.
>>142465985
>but which horror movie doesn't
Eraserhead.
>>142496241
Style was a good choice of word. Kagewani is great, but people just cant get over the moving picture aspect for some reason.
>>142496289
The first couple deaths were pretty impactful, but I think around the boat death was when it really started getting silly. People start getting killed off like every couple minutes in the silliest ways with no buildup.
>>142496289
The difference between the crazy deaths in Another and Corpse Party would probably have to be the buildup (of lack of, depending on the death) and the fact that you know it's not impossible for the characters to survive in the latter. In Another, you know that a person is doomed the moment something starts.
Also, a haunted school hell is simply better for crazier deaths than something like a NEET in the real world suddenly having a giant truck crash into his room.
>>142495715
Ryou's endings definitely have the potential to be worse, also the way the game tries to trick you with him.
>>142496289
I think it's definitely the contrivance since in hindsight even the ones in the beginning with the umbrella and elevator are kind of funny after the initial shock. I recall the pillar scene being funny too, the whole series kind of reaches the peak there with bad stuff just repeatedly happening.
On the other hand maybe we only find it funny as a sort of defense mechanism.
I like the first episode of Gakkou Gurashi, watched it blind, though.
>>142496486
I don't think it's a defense mechanism. The only manner of death that I've seen a lot in horror movies that manages to freak me out is dissolving or melting people, like the Blob remake, or We All Scream For Ice Cream (Masters of Horror).
Come to think of it, I need to watch Street Trash.
>>142447983
I found Alien 9 very unsettling, but as an anon already said, animation is hard to make people truly scared. I say it's the weakest area of animation and the strongest for live action.
>>142496477
>In Another, you know that a person is doomed the moment something starts.
When I read it in text it actually sounds cool. Knowing that you're going to die soon but can't do anything about it scary, but when I watch Another I just don't feel it.
Its funny because while Ive yet to see a truly effective horror anime there are plenty of great horror manga out there.
Some people say "Well its got to be closer to real life its got to relate to the viewer and be like paranormal activity blah blah" but in that case why is it that Sci-Fi horror exists and is actually very successful?
Fact is it has less to do with "realism" and more to do with pacing and atmosphere. To make a good horror anime directors would have to break out of their habits and go way outside the field with both art style and pacing and even writing for it to work. I find that the scariest things Ive seen in Anime come out of series that are not even Horror series to begin with so that's something you could examine.
>>142496639
*is scary
>>142496614
It's because it's cute and creepy
Yoshiki had the biggest balls and character development out of all of those stock characters. Am I gay for liking (loving) Yoshiki?
>>142496667
>paranormal activity
I don't understand the appeal. It's not even good by found footage standards and those are low as fuck.
>>142447983
To me at least no anime is scary, Im pretty sure everyone on this site has seen real gore so seeing cartoon gore doesn't simply do anything. Its too unrealistic, it doesnt even make me twitch. The only way any series could be scary to me if its creepy, thats it. Uncanny characters/creatures that make me feel easy especially do it for me.
>>142496792
If I pull an anime eye out, what shape will it be?
>>142496792
For example this titan was much more scary to me than anything in corpse party simply because it looks nightmarish.
>>142496837Extremely painful
>>142496837
It will be inbadshapeauberge
>>142496792
Not just cartoon gore. Gore in movies is rarely effective either and is not necessary for a good horror movie anyway (Halloween and Texas Chainsaw Massacre for instance were pretty tame for instance, and they're one of the few slasher movies worth a damn)
I think the last time gore freaked me out was when I watched Hannibal and that has less to do with it being gruesome and more with how surreal and outlandish it is.
>>142447983
150 minute run time with no breaks. Horror anime is handicapped by the very 13 episode format it's in. It's hard to be scared of something with no consequence.
>>142496477
Yeah, the fact that while hard, it's possible to survive in Corpse Party is probably why the deaths have more impact. Sure you have Sachiko, her henchman, the three kids, and arguably the whole school against you, but it doesn't necessarily feel unfair.Unless of course you're somehow slated to die in which case it doesn't appear there is any escape.
>>142496667
While not necessarily scary, Ito's stuff as manga does seem to manage to be more disgusting, unsettling, and able to pull twists out. (Granted after reading enough you kind of get a feeling for when a twist is going to happen.)
>>142496565
The defensive mechanism idea was just a poor suggestion on my part after recalling somethings I've heard about how humans will react to certain things and why death in small doses hits us harder than large ones.
>>142496934
*for instance for instance
I'm an idiot, but my point still stands.
>>142496792
make me feel uneasy*
>>142496837
Its still an eye-BALL
>>142496856
Jesus
>>142496667
I think something that most horror seems to forget is that the paranormal is supposed to alien and something incomprehensible, I mean Ju-On and Corpse Party was scary for me because your life is basically fucked and you're now in a world of curses, no escape and abnormality.
Fear of the unknown, lack of familiarity and end of logic is scary as fuck. Fuen No Tane is scary because there are unknown entities may be right there right under our noses
So, what's each of you guys personal favorite thing? Visuals? Premise? Atmosphere? Plot?etc
Well not exactly anime but Ibutsu manga's side story was genuine scary
>>142496792
Story of Oiwa and a few episodes of Yamishibai was scary
>>142496856
You bring up a good point, I think it would be beneficial for someone looking to make a horror anime for them to rely less on gore and gross outs and go more in a surrealistic/nightmarish direction.
>>142497158
You don't agree?
>>142497176
That's a tough call. I'd say for me it's
Premise = Atmosphere > Visuals > Plot
But if the plot goes in a direction I adore, then it becomes
Plot = Atmosphere > Visuals > Premise
>>142496837
a sphere, the orbitals are the ones that have weird shapes and no lacrimal ducts (most of them don't, unless we're talking GitS or Death Note)
>>142497208
>Ibitsu
Now that was spooky. I like Fuan no Tane because it preys on the kind of stupid shit you think about, like not looking twice if you see something frightening out the corner of your eye.
>>142497286
Definitely, now I'm trying to figure out why it's scary in the middle of the night without scaring myself.
>>142496688
This is another reason why animation is possible weak, in a way it's kind of hard to feel scared when every characters looks so cute. This particularly feels like it rings true for Another and Corpse Party.
>>142496792
>>142497150
The actual stabbings and such aren't too pretty, but the bondage in both of these scenes is hot.
>>142496856
I watched SNK or whatever when it was airing and there was that whole hype train going on. It could get pretty creepy at times I remember. The one thing that creeped me out the most was finding the half eaten body of one of their friends after a big fight. How did it happen? Who knows, all we can assume however is that he knew what'd happened and died a shitty death while being cut in half
shit like THAT is fucking creepy. I think gore is overdone or handled very poorly but I think it's something that can work if you know what you're doing. There's nothing worst than knowing your insides shouldn't be hanging from a gaping hole in your gut and knowing there's nothing you can do but lie down in miserable pain awaiting death, all alone in the dark, where nobody can hear or see you. So atmosphere, sound and character development are crucial here to create even more of a shock when someone loses a part of their body
>>142447983
Honestly you'd have to do away with the high skirts and big eyes. They are distracting and make me think of sex/cuteness when I should be afraid. Unfortunately no anime producer in their right mind would do away with those, those are the biggest selling point in anime
>>142497374
For me, cute is what makes anime/manga better, it makes for a contrast. Besides, those live action adaptation of anime/manga never have characters as cute.
>>142497374
I wonder why that is, since you think them being cute would be make it horrifying when they die painful deaths. Kind of like how in live action you can sympathize with the protags despite actors being average looking at worst.
On that note, horror movies have warped my sense of age perspective something fierce. I went through all of middle school thinking the average appearance of a high schooler and college student was like that of a horror film. And I end up going through both wondering why the hell does everyone and me look so young.
>>142497374
>in a way it's kind of hard to feel scared when every characters looks so cute
>but the bondage in both of these scenes is hot
Yeah its kind of hard to feel scared when they are shoving
>pic related
into your face. I had to take a fap break before finishing corpse party because it was just too much.
>>142497619
Sexual titillation is part and parcel with a lot of horror, so it didn't really bother me.
>>142497705
With anime it's all cocktease though, nothing like t&a in live action and teens making out only to be horribly killed
>>142447983
ghost hunt
/thread
>>142497780
Devilman had an orgy, but I see what you mean.
>>142497705
I mean yeah its nice but you cant expect me to be scared whne my dick is hard and sometimes I just want to watch something that will scare me, not make me horny.
>>142497517
I think cute is fine but the stupid hamfisted lewd is what ruins it. TIME TO BUTTER MY BUTT and related feels incredibly out of place and just kind of had me going "...what?"
Talking about horny stuff, any other vn like saya no uta?
>>142482386
It's not even really a "time loop". There's a ONE TIME event where people end up reset, but it's not a loop and none of the good guys keep their memories, only faint deja-vu.
One of the bad endings of Corpse Party had the cast sent back in time to before everything went to shit, and some of them had deja-vu and then they end up going into the spooky hell place again.
The sequel is basically that ending fleshed out into a full game. It's not a loop though, it's a one time re-do, what's really going on is that the sequel is just an expanded remake with most of the "real" deaths of the 1st version being treated as "bad ends" instead of canon ends. This allows the creators to start over with the series and reboot it, without throwing away the 1st game completely.
You can totally just start with Book Of Shadows, the 2nd game, with an understanding of "The main cast all died before and got sent back as a cruel joke by the ghosts". You'll fall for the bad ends that the 1st game predicts, but that just means you'll experience both games in one (and should save more).
>>142498007
Im sorry this might be a stupid question but when people are talking about this corpse party game what game are they referring to? Could you link me to it, I know there are at least 3 different games/visual novel things.
Manga can be pretty disturbing
>we will never have a Franken Fran anime
>no Junji ito anime
Parasyte was more of a comedy and fuck you madhouse
>>142498076
Check here, it has a list of the games and whether they're reboots or sequels.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpse_Party#Setting_and_plot
>>142447983
Yoshiki is a true bro, he deserved so much better. Why the fuck couldn't Ayumi be less bitch and selfish? He was a strong motherfucker.
Tortured Souls was a fucking mistake. We should've recived a better adaption that didn't have evry possible bad ending combined. Fuck this gay Earth.
Human element and involvement.
Human element as in either literal human element (aka 3D horror movies with real life people) or human element as in relatable characters that don't feel like Magical Little Girls with super powers.
Anime (and cartoons in general) have a difficult time creating an actual human element between viewer and character that is believable, and is nearly impossible with how they tend to completely reject budget costs for creating an in-depth character in appearance and visual appeal (in short, gotta ramp up the spending to make the animation look good).
And involvement is a given. 1st person visuals? Ambiance and limited peripheral vision? Even controlled motion and perspective (ala video games)?
Anime has none of that. Which completely displaces the viewer from the experience. At least for horror.
I don't know, probably other things too, but those are the things I see that stick out to me as to why I can't ever be "scared" by anime, just not "in" to it enough.
Any memorable jump scare scenes?
>>142498217
I think a adaptation of Hellstar Remina would be interesting.
>>142498076
There's a million fucking versions. There's an RPG maker game called Corpse Party you can download for free with google, there's a visual novel adaptation for PC, there are versions that're getting ported absolutely everywhere, even unexpected places like the 3DS, and then there are the sequels and the million adaptations of those.
The original RPG maker game came out in like 1996 or something, and still gets ports. If you want to play that on PC, either buy or pirate a copy of something like this:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/251270/
The game MOST people talk about is the newer ones, Corpse Party: Book of Shadows is the "main" one that people talk about, it's the "remake-but-also-sequel" I talked about in the post you quoted. It's technically a sequel to the game I linked, but it tells the same story with the same cast, just with better stuff all around (CGs, Voices, more content) and a better ending and sequel hook to Blood Drive, the 3rd title.
>>142498217
There's Gyo
>>142498270
I don't know, I felt a pretty strong human element with Madoka and friends. Sayaka's sad smile haunts me to this day. Pic unrelated.
>>142447983
Good music to complement a creepy atmosphere.
The atmosphere is of utmost important
>>142498340
Depends.
Do too silly to be scary ones count?
>jumpscare at the end of the 8 episode in the first season
>pretty subtle for the jumpscare standards and effective given the context
>>jumpscare at the end of the 8 episode in the third season
>straight-up comedy
I guess that says everything you need to know about S3.
https://a.pomf.cat/ivpelv.webm
This thread is stupid. Corpse Party is stupid. You're stupid.
>Mayoiga is supposed to be horror
I find this hysterical.
At least Shiki managed to be atmospheric and tense, despite the designs. Shiki has my vote for "best horror anime despite anime's shortcomings"
No one saw boogiepop phantom?
I'd love some good anime horror.
>creepy music/sound design. Call the silent hill guy, he knows what's up
>engaging characters
>slow build up
>tension
>extremely few jump scares
>small changes in the timbre and animation of op/ed every ep
Also, this tune
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMLKHkhKyg7w4qbF1GmHS-vqZCydeWWIh
>>142498600
The shit show keeps being defended as unintended comedy or some shit. But it is not being portrayed for the genre it represents or the tags or the opening. How can it be unintended comedy? People are making the most bullshit excuse to defend the shit writing and stupidity of the show. Mystery my ass.
>>142498719
>Aphex Twin
Muh nigga.
We could also use this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mUX1l89npg
>>142498719
I think I fucked up the link.
Here
https://youtu.be/hQLDbpLoiAc
Corpse Party or Corpse Party Blood Covered is the first game. Best one to play is Corpse Party Blood Covered through a PSP emulator due to better art.
Corpse Party Book of Shadows is the sequel but most episodes continue from the time reset bad ending. Only the Blood Drive prologue episode you unlock after completing all the other episodes is the sequel to the true canon ending.
Corpse Party Blood Drive is the final game in the saga which brings it all to a conclusion.
Corpse Party -THE ANTHOLOGY- Sachiko no Ren'ai Yūgi Hysteric Birthday 2U is a spin off that doesn't really tie into the main story.
Corpse Party 2 Dead Patient is also not related to the plot of the original game. The only thing that relates to it is that it has a short cameo from two characters from the original game.
>>142498832
I've thought that album would make a really good horror soundtrack before too.
Honestly, you really can't have horror with moe. I'm not even hating on cute girls, or fanservice smut in horror, its just that the bright colors of cute anime girls will wreck any horror setting.
Corpse party barely escaped this pitfall by having everyone be in boring uniform/brown hair. I honestly can't think of any good horror series in general that is bright and colorful.
>>142498948
This tune especially.
https://youtu.be/d9JSOXPmhuQ
Just have this as a recurring theme in the show as a foreboding of shit to go down and I'll be sweating bullets.
Hell, why not adapt silent hill as an anime.
>>142499053
This show was entirely in sepia and that was wonderful for setting the mood.
>>142498943
> Other stuff that you say are not related.
Actually, funny thing you mentioned...
>>142499053
Shiki is really good and also colourful.
It's not really that scary though.
>>142465554
That is a quality pic there, m8.
>>142497517
>>142497537
You both raise a good point in that actually the cuteness does provide a contrast and should make what happens all the worse and perhaps it does function like that for normal people. For somebody like myself who is attracted to cuteness and has sadistic leanings, it's more of turn on.
>>142497619
The OVA certainly did have some fanservice. Will generally say that I prefer something like this to what you might get in Western horror movies where they go all the way, that is just kind of boring to me.
>>142497705
I honestly don't watch a lot of live action horror and I think the horror I have taken more than cursory interest in as always been video game (Usually Japanese), anime, or manga. I've always felt an undertone of eroticism in the aforementioned and wondered if it was just me or actually present.
I totally forgot about it until now, but Perfect Blue is really good at getting under your skin. Me-Mania is so creepy.
>>142499618
>The OVA certainly did have some fanservice
And really blatant sometimes.Just think about it, a few seconds after this scene, the contents of those panties are smeared over a wall.
>>142485431
Daily reminder that Doc did nothing wrong.
>>142501009
Oh yeah, can't believe I forgot about that. Maybe because doesn't have a big role in the first game.The part she plays with the guy with glasses later on is probably one of the best.
>>142501540
All this time people were mentioning this anime and I completely forgot I had seen it. From what I remember I'll also chime in and say it wasn't that scary. Some nice character designs and scenes though, like the ones leading up to that for example.
>>142495212
Sensei had goal and personality though.
>>142501652
>Nice character designs
I liked the music and the overall atmosphere though.
>>142494971
Ayumi was an absolute moron for unironically deciding to listen to an obviously evil asshole who broke into her house.
>>142501709
She's ok. I'm more into bromance than I am into cakes.
>>142499110
Notice that the scariest parts of Shiki were when the palette was toned down? I couldn't take the vampires seriously with their god awful hair design.
>Corpse Party Musume
Who thought this manga would be a good idea?
>>142498723
I think it's partly intentional comedy. Some of it is obvious jokes (like nearly everything about Assness).
>>142501652
Yeah, while there were some spooky scenes, particularly early on, I wouldn't really define it primarily as a horror show.
Goddamn, though, the ending was somehow both incredibly satisfying and incredibly frustrating.
