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So how would you fix GATE?
>Make magic threatening
>Make the empire adapt to the green invaders
>Delete everything harem and gothic loli related
>>142365696
>So how would you fix GATE?
Decide what it's supposed to be about:
1) realistic portrayal of culture clash - modern vs medieval
2) gun porn vs medieval/fantasy targets
3) parahuman harem
>>142365696
The appeal of GATE is precisely seeing primitives get blown the fuck out by a modern military without any realistic hopes of fighting back. Making them capable of fighting back ruins that appeal. If you want "society without modern weaponry defeats bad evil guns with the power of magic", there's tons of those.
Also I enjoy the harem and goth loli, they aren't even intrusive.
>>142365809
>parahuman harem
We have every other anime for this. How about we just have 1 and 2 for a change
>>142365853
>society without modern weaponry defeats bad evil guns with the power of magic
I never said that they need to win or even be portrait like guns are evil. And of course threatening magic does not have to mean that they could have a large battle with two armies. But Infiltrators, mind control and whatnot are things to be considered when operating outside of Alnus
>>142365696
the tension in Gate comes from the Japan trying for peace to someone doesnt want it.
also it shows the advancement and technology and how far we have come.
realistically, there is no chance of any magic that can withstand modern firearms.
I mean a man with Minimi mounted on apv in gate would realistically mow down 3 or 4 notRomans in a single shot.
howitzers and tanks can shoot targets from 15 km away.
the TOWs used by the Super Cobras heli can peirce through half meter thick reinforced armor. (incidentally, the TOW in that episode also has additional explosive charge in it) they overkilled the dragon with TOW.
If you want the empire to be a threat, it will be as ridiculous as Owari no Seraph where archers shoot down helicopters
>>142366939
>magic exists
>berserker rory
>>142366939
>If you want the empire to be a threat, it will be as ridiculous as Owari no Seraph where archers shoot down helicopters
It's not at all ridiculous when magic and other fantasy elements can and should be a factor. That alone means you can write an story intelligently enough to have both sides be a threat to the other. They just have to be not stupid.
>>142366939
Perhaps I should have specified that. I didn't mean that they should have Overlord level of magic powers but it should be at least used outside of waifu wars
>>142365696
I dont think magic should be an actual threat, at least not on a meaningfully large level.
A roughly matched combat between magic vs tech isn't really the focus of GATE I think, and there have been plenty of other works that cover that angle.
I think a more interesting development would have been introducing other competent earth governments i.e. more realistic US. I liked an anons suggestion of setting GATE during the cold war. Like a neo-age of discovery without racism but with diplomacy.
Dragons and gods def should have been buffed though
>>142365696
More monstergirls
More modern soldiers killing medieval soldiers
More action in general
>>142366939
>realistically, there is no chance of any magic that can withstand modern firearms.
>magic
>real
Now that's just silly.
>>142365696
make it match the manga
>>142365696
Make it a UN peacekeeping mission
You tone down the nacionalism and you have a chance to show how the people of the other side react to different people (since all japanese look the same)
The first contingent would be made ofAustralian, Italians and Vietnamese
>>142367104
so educate me then, how could notRomans can stand against a Specter gunship, the most feared airplane in the world.
it can fly higher than 9km above ground, shoot people with 5 105mm HE tank shells per second ( it actually shoots faster than a tank) and it can deliver it from 10 km away.
nothing short of an asspull is required to write down a plot device that can stand up to that.
oh, it can also airdrop a tank too
>>142367244
>A roughly matched combat between magic vs tech
Is completely impossible.
The moment you attach to a single person firepower that puts them on even ground in a battle with a tank or a tank regiment (if it's powerful wizard), that same power makes that single person MORE powerful than that same tank or tank regiment.
Warfare is not linear.
>>142367389
DnD has a spell that deflects all ranged attacks back to the source.
In fact, I'm pretty sure it has several spells that do this.
>>142367389
> how could notRomans can stand against a Specter gunship
Magic?
>>142365696
The thing about Gate is, that the JSDF faces alot of problems.
however, it is only noticeable if you know the in and outs of the JSDF and the Japanese politics.
For example:
1.)the cabinet controls the JSDF and they donot have a defense ministry by the time of when Gate was written, that is why the senate hearing is such a big deal. one single no confidence vote, JSDF is dissolved.
2.) they were given the old prone to breakage guns like the type 64 rifle and super small budget because the liberal congressmen want the JSDF to fail (they never expected notRomans to be so weak), Itami just adlib his explanation to his squad, to not get them demoralized.
there are many more, but it really requires knowledge of Japanese politics.
>>142367488
that went well with the 1500 dead imperial mages that got killed by police snipers in the 7 day siege in the Battle of Double Bridge
>>142367488
Then you have overpowered magic, wich is just as stupid for a setting
There's a very simple way to fix GATE. You make the medieval forces bring out magic/gods/etc to their side and enforce a somewhat guerrilla warfare/medieval fighting force.
The problem is that the story revolves around one guy on one side of the conflict, meaning we will never see the entire story as a battlefield or war. GATE is just the assimilation of our current technology and how awesome it is at blowing shit up. That's nice but it can be done better.
Who the fuck wouldn't want to see all sorts of magic shenanigans used against planes, helis, tanks, etc with dragons burning everything, as both sides blow literally everything up?
The harems is already ridiculous and should of been cut.
The international preassure of having mroe than just one country enter through the gate needs to be prioritized more.
The lack of any combat expereince, and lack luster combat training of the Japanese forces.
The lack of any reasonable scientific research going on, especially related to magic, as magic seemed to work even in our world, it may be possible to use magic to, for example, advance computer speeds to unseen levels changing industries in mere days.
Magic is just two weak, unreasonably weak. What about magic to mind control someone? Make the planes crash into the tanks, or electricity magic to disable most of the electronics, or disease magic? Who's going to stop a magic disease without magic?
You make a typical fantasy world but for some reason everyone who uses magic is just absolutely retarded and can barely think of a good counter to the guns? Are you fucking serious?
Honestly the author may just be retarded, the series is trash, but could of been good
>>142366939
>If you want the empire to be a threat, it will be as ridiculous as Owari no Seraph where archers shoot down helicopters
No, it's ridiculous because it's arrows. That's boring shit.
Say, for example, one single magic user summons a thunder cloud and rains down thunder from above, as helicopters try and maneuver around and get shot down, with the crew fried alive.
Or an army of fireball magic users shooting balls of fire like projectiles as helicopters.
An empire cannot be a threat, you need actual magic. Not fake bullshit like 'magic arrows' crap.
>>142368028
>Magic is just two weak, unreasonably weak.
It isn't really. It's just that the only effective users of magic are part of the harem.
>>142368028
Russia and US backed out when they learned Japan is fighting a guerilla war with the empire.
China is starting to sneak 10000 soldiers to upsurp the JSDF and overthrow Zorzal to install Diabo until the facehugger and tyrannid incident.
like Leilei said, magic is will be pointless and obsolete even in their world, there is no point in advancing it when technology can adapt and make it easier for humans to use.
also its not fantasy, its scifi actually.
In their darkest hour the Kingdom opens another gate to the US,rest of the series is a USA Proxy war with Japan.
>>142368109
Even the blue haired doll is pretty weak. She's considered a prodigy but her greatest spell was pathetic, her explosion spell combining our science and their magic was smaller than what a middle schooler could do with some basic home supplies.
It is weak, as in it can't do much of anything that we can do.
It's unreasonably weak because the idiots who do use magic don't use it in such a way to maximize it's effectiveness, it's as if their entire world has an average IQ of 60
>>142367966
Welcome to Warhammer 40k
Where a hand gun can put down people who is capable of shredding a city to pieces with a thought
>>142365696
>Delete everything harem and gothic loli related
Rory is literally the only reason to watch the show.
>>142365696
>Delete everything [...] gothic loli related
>>142368279
>was smaller than what a middle schooler could do with some basic home supplies.
That's missing the fucking point.
Even a low-powered mage can be a destructive terrorist if they have access to a single invisibility spell. Military bases have lots of explosives that you can trigger even with what you consider a "small" explosion.
Lacking invisibility, how about creative use of what else she has at her disposal, like that Sleep spell?
Magic is enormously powerful because for one thing it isn't bound to big hardware and for another, it's versatile.
>>142368090
you do know how much asspull you are going to make to make it happen.
the super cobras can climb higher than the thunderclouds
not to mention it can deliver its Hydra 70 rockets from at least 10 km away (farther than the human eyes can see or feel)
>>142368322
Too dark. You need to have balance.
Like having magic users being rare.
Hell, can you imagine special ops where they have to infiltrate castles and shit so that they can kill a VIP magic user? Modern assassination attempts. Drone strikes of castles to kill elder mages, who deflect artistry fire with magic bubbles and shit.
I want to see the army being so desperate that they're forced to use a nuke to win and become vilified for it.
>>142368443
>farther than the human eyes can see
Magic.
>>142368429
jesus fucking christ. an/psq kills your stupid idea
>>142365696
Make the politics more intelligent, and do more with it on both sides. Do not paint one side as the right one, or if you do, challenge that idea later. Stop with the constant jobbing too, it shouldn't take much to establish the JSDF as an overwhelming force. What's important is how that overwhelming force's presence affects the world.
Put an emphasis on perspectives. Set a certain number of characters, designate them the absolute most important, and switch between their views constantly over the course of the story. Allows you to juggle different themes, atmospheres, and devices while also telling the whole story from all sides. The structure gains flexibility and the writers can decide what's important to write about while satisfying everyone. Which means it can and should keep the harem elements because Itami and his gurls make for an easy sell. After that, it's all about good execution.
>>142368473
basically, all the counter to modern firearms and weapons boils down to this, isn't it?
asspull after asspull
>>142368443
That's why it can never work. It's funny how our technology can beat magic without having it become complete bullshit. It would still be nice to see them put a fight and them have them hopelessly outclassed. In GATE, it's just too one sided.
needs more science
>>142368429
Are you kidding me?
How long do you think that mage trained, just to become a terrorist who can potentially cause a small amount of damage?
It's worthless. That's like asking for a Harvard student to become a terrorist.
>>142368659
>basically, all the counter to modern firearms and weapons boils down to this, isn't it?
It's mages, man.
Shouldn't you expect them to have magic?
It's like you're walking into KFC and getting surprised at all the chicken related food.
>asspull after asspull
No, it's not an asspull when a literal mage has magic.
>>142368717
>That's like asking for a Harvard student to become a terrorist.
Some of the most successful terrorist leaders had diplomas.
Che Guevara for example was a doctor.
>>142368659
The problem is that it's a damn if you do, damn if you don't scenario.
If you set up limits, modern tech can do basically anything to fuck shit up. But if you don't limit it, magic basically comes down to whatever you can imagine without limits unless you decide it's a limit.
>>142368774
You're moving the goalpost. I should have replaced terrorist with suicide bomber. Of course you need smart leaders, but do you need a very well educated person to be on the front lines?
>>142368659
Magic is inherently an asspull because it doesn't exist.
You make it believable by either creating and establishing rules and limits over the course of the story, or by taking a science approach that makes magic subject to natural laws. Either way, if modern weaponry is as powerful as it is, then magic can be as powerful or more powerful and believably so if written well, and there's no logical reason to believe that's not possible.
>>142368789WH40k
>>142368825
>I should have replaced terrorist with suicide bomber.
That's assuming they can't get away.
Also, plenty of suicide attacks were performed by highly trained professionals.
When push comes to shove, people tend to get a bit extreme. When your country is run over by assholes and you can kill a bunch of them and you might even survive it, that's pretty tempting.
>>142368888
>Magic is inherently an asspull because it doesn't exist.
That is not what asspull means.
>>142368888
Don't bother, from this thread it seems that the anons are too retarded to understand that.
>>142368980
Apart from that he's making good points though.
>>142365696
So, remove everything that made it popular to begin with? Sure, they'll get right on that.... imbecile.
>>142368905
No. Just no goddamn it. I said no!
>>142368938
I'm just saying that at her level of skill and required amount of time to learn that skill, it's just not worth it.
>>142368888
>>142368789
basically you have to write how can a mage fire 30 fireballs within 5 seconds that can pierce through 1/4 inch of steel (modern steel not the pig steel medieval times uses) from 600 meters away and the fireballs can travel 1000meters per second, so that he can stand up against a normal rifleman.
>>142369088
>I'm just saying that at her level of skill and required amount of time to learn that skill, it's just not worth it.
And I'm saying that if a DnD gamer got a look at her full spell book he'd disagree with you.
Magic isn't just about throwing fireballs at people.
>>142369112
If you can materialize fireballs out of thin air, why would you materialize then on YOUR side of the barrier and not on the other side?
>>142367358
>Tone down the nacionalism
Dropped
Japan stronk! is what made show amusing.
>>142369192
because by the time the mage can raise his wand, the rifleman put a hole in the mage's head with a fivefivesixer
>>142367358
And then the Nepalese introduce cholera to the GATE world while the Pakistanis rape everything in sight and the Dutch and Canadians twiddle their thumbs as refugees get massacred by NotRomans right in front of them.
>>142369112
Simple, make the mage grow a fireball out of thin air, like large circular mines, but rather than blowing up, burns anything it comes into contract.
>>142369303
>the rifleman put a hole in the mage's head with a fivefivesixer
I don't think he'll be able to penetrate the mountain behind the mage is sitting.
>>142369112
Your scenarios lack any creativity and you're doing that on purpose to paint magic as either bullshit or too weak. That's really silly.
>>142369381
*the mountain behind _which_ the mage is sitting
fixed
>>142369346
the mage would be dead before he can cast his spell because of how fast a bullet is.
>>142369425
I'm sorry but the rifleman can't shoot the target because it's invisible.
>>142369341
And that's why I didn't include any of those nations
>>142369450
an/psq makes the mage more of a sitting duck.
>>142369495
No, IMPROVED invisbible.
>>142369495
Infravision has never worked against invsibility in DnD, and like half the playable races have access to it.
Just look how magic in Gate works. They stated that they can manipulate physics.
It's not hard to imagine that if the secret of gunpowder gets revealed by a spy or something they could be able to create a anti ignite field or something. To balance it it would have not a very large radius, so it would be used for a surpirse attack if they are already close.
See? It's not hard to come up with stuff that is half way believable and not totally outbalanced or either side.
But of course magic is only one side of the coin. There are still the effects of the earthlings changing society and so in within the new world. Threre are so many possebilities then just harem we stronk
>>142365696
>Magic
It makes no sense. The wizards in Gate not only don't give a fuck about the empire but the are pretty much nerds. Their reaction to the JSDF is curiosity not fear or bloodlust.
>>142367487
Is it active or passive? A passive spell would be monstrous, an active spell would be useless because the point of shooting something from 10km away is they don't know you're even there or that you've shot them until they're already dead.
>>142369521
and there, i prove my point. you just ducked under for a "its magic, I ain't gonna explain shit" asspull to make magic stand up to modern weaponry.
There wasn't nearly enough CIA/US Government meddling. And with the state Japan's "military" is in today, the US would have fucking steamrolled it's way through the gate and just murdered everything.
End this shitty thread. It's just one autist unable to understand that magic can be however powerful you want.
>>142369638
Passive, obviously.
Mages don't have time to bother with pesky non-mages. They are far too busy stealing everybody's spotlight and doing everything on their own.
>>142369495
>Invisibility is the state of an object that cannot be seen
>>142365696
by making the anime follow the manga. and using the manga art. instead of this cheap anime version.
>>142369657
Light is what makes things visible for us.
Infrared light (which thermal cameras are about) is also light.
Is that so difficult to understand?
>>142369587
actually, infravision in DnD just means can see in the dark, not actual infrared vision
>>142369657
Invicibility literally means that it cannot be seen.
>>142369759
Wrong.
http://dungeonsdragons.wikia.com/wiki/Infravision
>>142369657
>Doesn't know how invisibility works in DnD.
That's the way it was before you were born you fucking newfag,because there are races that can see in infrared
>>142369737
>>142369762
>>142369716
infravision in DnD just means can see in the dark, thats why they remove it and change it to darkvision
>>142369673
>>142369835
>infravision in DnD just means can see in the dark,
No, it doesn't.
>>142365696
Exoskeleton paratroopers inside an assault capsule mounted to a dragon would wreck JSDF's shit up.
>>142369835
But that doesn't change the fact that if something is invicivle, by definition it literally can't be seen
>>142369886
Exoskeleton knights on the exoskeletoned horses too.
>>142369521
>>142369657
You guys are treating this more like one of those character vs character power level threads. It's not that straightforward.
Let's say the jsdf could see through invisibility. That doesn't mean they're going to know the enemy has access to something like that, nor will they know immediately when it's being used. After they're aware of it, then they implement their countermeasure. Then the other side becomes aware of that and moves towards a different strategy. That's elementary warfare. It also ignores complications.
This isn't a powerlevel fight, this is a matter of making an interesting story where characters are actually intelligent.
>>142369916
>>142369867
>>142369857
>>142369835
>>142369816
>>142369809
>>142369762
>>142369737
so if you want to make the mages "invisible" fine, they can't still get past USWs
>>142369425
Not if you can't see them. I don't mean invisibility spells but like camo or hiding in woods.
Guerrilla magical warfare.
>>142370270
>USWs
Undersea Warfare
Ultrasonic Weapon
Undersecretary of War (US Navy)
Unrestricted Submarine Warfare
Which one? Not that any of them make sense in the context.
>>142370270
Magic
>>142370232
But the thing with DnD magic is, there is no real counter to it outside of magic, and it can do everything.
Even if they managed to find a way to make the mages visible by mundane means, the mages could just teleport into their bases, leave a fire elemental behind which is immune to all nonmagical weaponry, teleport away and have the servant trigger the explosion that would take the base off the map.
And there is nothing you could do about it except hire a mage or buy magical weaponry, and it's the BULLETS, not the guns, that need to be magical. So unless you're confident in paying lots and lots of money for enchanted rounds, you're stuck with medieval weaponry or depending on magical mercenaries.
People forget that the empire has basically phased out magic since it takes too long to use with limited effect, compared to things like ballistae and catapults.
There's a really valid magic is more of a niche thing than a "everybody has free instant unlimited fireballs" sort of thing.
>>142365696
>So how would you fix GATE?
Build a wall around that Gate. Simple.
>>142370404
Ultrasonic and sonic weapons.
basically accoustic radars that can point out where the targets are, like sonar, but different, and can deliver hurt.
You probably saw them in Incredible Hulk movie (2008) used against him
very dangerous, turns people's insides to mush
>>142370535
I think we've had quite enough walls lately.
>>142370437
That would be boring, but some Warhammer shit like already mentioned in the thread would be cool. Mages there are mostly glasscannons: they can fuck up your shit up easily with magic, but aren't immune to physical attacks.
>>142370437
You're talking about DnD magic when GATE is its own piece of fiction. It doesn't have any obligation to follow some other work's rules.
>>142370567
>Ultrasonic and sonic weapons.
There's plenty of spells that remove sound from an area.
>>142370611Read OP. We are talking about fixing Gate.
>>142367236
>Overlord level of magic powers
Actually, they SHOULD have that level of magic, then they could have a full scale war with the modern world with both side using their most powerful weapons, including nukes. It will be more epic that way.
>>142370646
I'm saying it doesn't need that to fix it.
>>142370621
before the magic can even utter a syllable, the mage's insides are turned to liquid. thats how fast and dangerous a USW is.
no casting time is quick enough.
thats why its basically a banned weapon via proxy of limited deployment
>>142365696
some civilization reference
>>142370708
basically as retarded as Salvation War then
>>142370728
No matter what system of magic we follow, you can't have a balanced fight.
Magic is inherently too versatile for that. Unless you restrict the spells to pure offense like WoW or games that are similarly silly, you just can't stop real mages.
Consider Star Wars. The jedi of 4-6 are weak as shit compared to most game systems, but their mind powers alone would be enough for them to take over empires.
>>142370811
Wrong, because the mage can easily make himself immune to that sort of stuff.
That would be obvious to you, considering I just told you they can silence areas.
Stop masturbating and start thinking along.
the bigger they are the harder they fall
>>142365696
>So how would you fix GATE?
Have all the countries in the world lust for the GATE world's resources and MAGIC, especially space-time magic and WW3 happens for the GATE.
>>142370878
>Magic is inherently too versatile for that.
There is nothing inherent about a purely fictional system within its fiction. The writer sets the rules for what is and isn't possible.
>>142371021
>There is nothing inherent about a purely fictional system within its fiction.
Then show me a fantasy setting where magic is not versatile but actually completely straight-forward, possibly limited to offense and defense.
>>142370878
>you can't do A unless you do A just as XXX does A
Tell me more.
>>142371092
Like I just said, the writer decides what the magic does. Whether other writers have done so or not doesn't matter. It's their world and their rules. The only thing that matters is whether it makes for something interesting in that context.
>>142371092It's not like you can only use established settings.
>>142368717
Not just any terrorist, you moron. An invisible terrorist will be a nightmare to any government, since just by causing "a small amount of damage" in some important places like airports or stadiums, they could inflict massive fear into the populace's mind.
>>142370945
but how can he protect himself if the USW is so fast?
I mean the police version, the Lrad 200x has a speed of 1.5meter per micro second with effective range of 3.5 km
the military version is just downright nasty
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>>142371236
I would agree, but please tell me more about your proposed fantasy world where wizards have access to the two spells Minor Burn and Avoid Minor Burn.
>>142371344
Protection spells.
>>142371344
Obviously he has passive protection against stuff like that. Because, you know, wizards
>>142371344
They have spying magic. If they detect shit like that in the radius of 4 km around them then they use spell that removes sound from a bubble around them. Obviously they would need to know that, but would be easy after first few unexpected deaths using divinatory magic.Or just use immortality spell or something, but that's boring.
>>142371371
Now you're just being silly. There's no reason why the only two options are to either use someone else's established magic or have next to no magic.
>>142368717
Let's see. Mage girl reads a few physics book and basicly gets uber master tier.
Any adept could become dangerous if he knew how to hit what. See>>142369610
>>142370517
The only reason magic is that ineffective is because the author writes it that way. No other fantasy setting has that problem.
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>>142371424
unfortunately i used the arino image so have so Pop Team Epic instead.
>>142371593
>>142371522
>There's no reason why the only two options are to either use someone else's established magic or have next to no magic.
You missed the point, and badly.
The choice is between having many different spells or having few different spells.
Most fantasy worlds don't even have a set number of possible spells (although there are a few that do).
If you want magic to be not-versatile, then you need to dramatically limit their spells.
>>142371562
and herein lies the issue, you can asspull anything you want by using roundabout 'magic can do anything' logic, but at the end of the day even the author wrote it as such that it doesn't.
>>142371681
And now you can reread the OP.
>>142365696
What's going on in that pic?
>>142371681
Did you follow the thread? It's about making Gate better. Some anons wanted stronger magic. Some autists /k/ crossboarder started arguing that magic can't defeat technology. Then it devolved into this shitfest.
>>142371745
Two different groups of cosplayers, one with the more interesting toys.
>>142365696
They should just take a realistic approach and let the boys in the Okinawa base to do the job, it will be more believable that way.
>>142371653
Obviously you don't have a million spells. There's no need for that in the first place, because that gives birth to contrivances. You also don't need next to nothing. You have the amount you need to tell an interesting story where magic isn't useless nor overpowered, and you set rules for that purpose. Your previous post was an exaggeration that doesn't actually make any point against that.
>>142371780
>>142371705
so it'd be better to just toss aside the source material entirely, and go with something else? Let's make GATE not about modern day humans and not-romans, and instead make it about unicorns and goblins, surely that is the improvement we all seek
>>142371780
its not about magic beating a modern weapons, but writing about it is lazy asspull writing.
even the writer of Gate, is just an amateur writer and this is his first set of novels, knows that a lot of asspulling required so magic can stand up against modern weapons.
thats why the conflict comes from the JSDF fighting with both hands tied and wearing kid gloves.
>>142371938
>Obviously you don't have a million spells.
You don't need a million spells though.
You only need very few of them.
That's why I am asking you to present me with the spells that you consider okay for a mage to have in that story that you want to tell.
>>142372037
>asspulling
You keep using that word.
>>142371997
>so it'd be better to just toss aside the source material entirely,
But the source material has pretty much all the basics that you'd need to make magic overpowered.
It just doesn't have an elite group of mages that actually know how to employ their magical arts in a sensible fashion.
>>142372037
>asspulling
Stop it already.
That's not what asspull means.
>>142372116
Actually, the only thing that needed is making the gods hate the JSDF.
>>142372072
You were asking me to present you with another work's magic system before. As for me, I'd have to think more about that, because that's the sort of thing that requires alot of consideration. That doesn't make it any less doable though.
>>142365696
>make the inferior side fight back you guys
So the only way to fix it is to make it like every single modern tech vs magic anime ever in the story of anime ever?
>>142371997
Unicorns and goblins are already there though.
Anyway Gate + stronger magic isn't exactly "tossing aside the source material entirely, and going with something else"
>>142372116
the story already mentioned that the 1500 imperial mages got killed in the battle of double bridge.
the remaining mages lead by the traitorous half elf general mage got killed by howitzers from kilometers away when they tried to retake arnus hill
>>142366939
>time stop
>meteor
>god summoning
>literal immortality
magic is the one thing that can beat modern firearms. firearms are bound by the laws of physics while magic can say fuck that and just fuck shit up
>>142372183
>That doesn't make it any less doable though.
It does.
When your world canonically has only 3 different spells, each carefully chosen so it can't upset a balance you'd like to maintain, your readers will ask ONE question:
Why have magic at all?
>>142372153It makes people dismiss your posts as obvious bait and incites people to shitpost. If that's what you want though then it quite obviously worked.
>>142371997
The point is to keep GATE's basic premise and key elements of its identity while changing everything else to make it better. Making magic more effective and prolific doesn't change that identity unless you're of the belief that nippon stronk is important to its identity.
>>142372227
You just don't understand why people have problems with the setting? Yes, they have mages, but those mages are too stupid to use their magic effectively.
>>142372156
An ass pull is a completely unbelievable explanation the writer conveniently add one in the story to resolve a situation.
sounds like about right.
>>142372266
Again, you don't have to have next to no magic. Just enough to make everything interesting. You're limiting too much.
It's not even actually about the number of spells anyways, it's about creating a magic system that's not broken. Which is doable, because it's fiction and we can do that.
>>142369112
>helicopter starts shooting mage
>magic shield around him just deflects all shots
>mage uses gravity to make helicopter the size of tin can
>normal rifleman just pissed himself and is contemplating suicide
you put a real mage against them, not some shitty town shaman
Rather than a single nation, I wanted to see multiple nations heading into the gate. The NIPPON STRONK theme really ruins GATE for me. Joint ops are always more interesting.
The loli and harem is fine. Gotta get sales somehow and Rori is cute.
After seeing so many one sided stomps on the military, it feels good to finally see them being unbeatable.
>>142372314
because modern weaponry allows modern soldiers to kill people more effectively and way farther than ever before.
you know its an asspull when you are going to write Gandalf can fight head to head with a tank firing at him 10 km away
>>142372380
No, that's a handwave.
An asspull is when you suddenly and without any foreshadowing of its being possible introduce something that is hugely important.
Mages COULD be an asspull if you first spent some 50 chapters describing a world without mages.
>>142365696
>So how would you fix GATE?
One word: Nanking. Make it happens in the anime then no one will complain about how unreal and boring the anime is anymore.
>>142372481
Gandalf is an angel. You're damn right he can destroy a tank or two if he wants to.
>>142372380What if you explain all the rules before a situation that would require the magic arises. Protip: read about Chekov's gun
>>142372481
>because modern weaponry allows modern soldiers to kill people more effectively and way farther than ever before.
Magic allows mages to kill people more effectively and way farther than any non-mages.
So?
That isn't even the best thing that makes mages great. The best thing is that they can also make themselves invisible, or create clones of themselves and remotely destroy those tanks without any danger to their own lives, or plant magical mines that cannot be detected by mundane means or just make themselves invulnerable.
Because they're mages.
>>142372486
semantics
in the end, all of the people suggestions are just examples of shitty writing
>>142372481
It's magic, anon. It could be as powerful as you want it to be. There is literal space wrapping magic in the canon, imagine if the god opens the gate in Tokyo to a black hole.
>>142372481
Top tier mages can alter time and reality from the comfort of his home. Can tank do that?
Replace shitty JSDF with Vietnam era US forces.
>>142372644
>semantics
No, definitions.
Words have those.
Learn them.
>>142372481
Seriously look up definition of asspull.
Not every OP power can be called that.
>>142372481
Who the fuck says that they would meat at a battlefield? There are so many ways mages could be dangerous.
Patrol goes through a town? Bam they sleep.
Whatever you can think of might be possible so they have to change their tactics aswell
>>142372679
The T-90 can
>>142372406
>It's not even actually about the number of spells anyways, it's about creating a magic system that's not broken.
A system with a sufficient amount of spells available to a mage makes that mage broken, unless you also limit him to something like 1 spell per day, in which case he's only half-broken because it will take him longer to achieve his goals.
>>142372685
Those are south koreans.
From what I have read, they did not have any care about the vietnamese and they would kill civilians if they were really mad about the viet cong.
We can mass produce tanks and 'copters. We can mass produce soldiers.
Сan we mass produce mages?
>>142372806
I don't hate her but it's kind of weird to see her charge in like that against knights
>>142372795
You could try making his skills powerful but not too powerful.You could try thinking.
>>142372870
>He doesn't know about cloning magic
>>142372890
>You could try making his skills powerful but not too powerful.
Like what?
That's why I asked what you were thinking of.
I know it would sound cliche, but I think it would have been interesting if it was a worldwide invasion. Gates opening in major cities across the world. Forcing the invaded nations to ally together to fight back. Also make the Empire a real threat. If you want to show primitive warfare getting BTFO'd by modern warfare, do it once and then have the Empire deploying their stronger armies that can actually match up to modern warfare. Because they realized that the armies of Earth are stronger than they thought.
Replace elves with actually interesting characters. Add a knight bitch to the harem. Diplomat goes full lolicon instead of waiting until she's 18.
>>142372870
Simulacrum would like to talk to you.
https://www.dnd-wiki.org/wiki/SRD:Simulacrum
>>142372953
>iplomat goes full lolicon instead of waiting until she's 18.
I hope you realize that was just his diplomatic way of putting it.
He can't publicly bone a little girl.
>>142372910
Fly+invisibility, then cut off the head of the Japs' generals.
>>142373037
>Fly+invisibility,
That's not "too powerful"?
You can ruin armies with that sort of shit.
>>142372953
>>142373018
Yeah this, he's going to bone her as soon as he gets a chance.Didn't he do it in the LN?
>>142373037
will not get past against USWs.
>>142373114
But it will.
Because all they need to do is sneak in along with some allied units that you wouldn't kill just to be on the safe side.
>>142372910
Read the thread. Like WH40k but further depowered because we have weaker weapons.
For example: you can overload mages' defensive shields, the offensive attacks are not really stronger than a tank (for some mages some just as strong as infantry) and a few can use powerful demons as nukes (you can't control them and they fuck both your and enemy's troops). Just adjust the number of mages that can summon demons / are powerful as tanks / are powerful as a normal infantryman, add some that can fuck you up from distance to balance long range weapons and you are golden.
Anyway that is just a proof of concept, there are probably way more interesting ways to do it.
>>142373140
they are already aware of his presence because the EWACS detected his sorry 300 miles ago. and with EWACS, army has no point in going on patrols and with insurgency going on, they wont patrol too and leave it to EWACS.
>>142365696
Respect the original characters
Not tone down all the blood, sex and mature elements
Don't skip out on the setting and magic explanation, like how Lelei actually killed the dragon
>>142373264
>For example: you can overload mages' defensive shields, the offensive attacks are not really stronger than a tank
That's what I meant with Minor Burn and Avoid Minor Burn.
So long as you limit them in that fashion you can avoid them going crazy.
ie: no versatility. Offense and defense. Nothing else.
You could give them 50 different offensive spells, in the end you would still be able to summarize them as the Zaps, while the defensive spells could be collectively referred to as the Guards.
So you have 2 options, and then you wonder why people find your mages boring.
>>142373311
the manga actually deviated the most from the novel.
Persia is a catgirl, manga turned her to a panther.
then she is a pure example of Yamato Nadeshiko, while the manga turned her to soapland girl
>>142373311
That's not fixing, that's just complaining about an adaption.
>>142373264
>>142373420
[cont]
And it wouldn't even matter. Even if all they had was Zap and Guard, they'd still be ruinous, because while a tank is widely visible and obvious, a mage is probably not.
>>142373277
You know that sometimes the invisibility is full light spectrum? And since electromagnetic waves are light, then I don't know, maybe some gravity detections would be required?
>>142373277
>drones
>with a success rate of 1 in 10 against visible targets
>successfully finding invisible ones
Hah.
>>142373421
>the manga actually deviated the most from the novel.
Yeah no. Miyute is a blue feathered siren/harpy, and for some reason the anime turned her into a green (??) parrot.
Kuribayashi also got fucked up royally.
>>142373421
>manga most deviated from the novel
>when the anime exists
I know they really used ride of the valkyries, but come on now
>>142373605
The anine is faithful as fuck.
>>142373480
oh, I don't know, its not like EWACS doesnt have Lrads that detect targets by sonic and subspace scattering.
and some EWACS are also armed and can deal tank rounds from miles away
>>142373420
>So long as you limit them in that fashion
You were talking about limiting number of spells,
>A system with a sufficient amount of spells available to a mage makes that mage broken
which obviously isn't needed. Anyway we agree now.
>>142372910
See >>142369610
Just read this thread. There are many suggestions
>>142373639
I see I see
>>142373074
Until they get it and switch to heat vision. It's an constant arms race
>>142373693
Nah, a clever mage could still waste an army. If you have an anti-ignition field, why not the reverse?
Why not an ignition field?
Butthurt /k/ Autists vs Butthurt /tg/ Autists: The Thread
>>142373732
Heat vision is infrared. Unless you limit invisibility to only the human spectrum, which is unlikely given that their world is populated by lots of parahumans.
>>142373778
Luckily /tg/ knows about weapons and more.
>>142373563
novel describe myuute as a half human and half harpy, LN doesnt show a picture of her.
you are just butthurt that the anime didnt follow your "accurate manga designs"
>>142373708
manga version wears non-regulation uniform, while the anime version still wears regulation approved hair piece.
Yeah, manga adaptation is shit
>>142373778
/tg/ already won that. At this point it's /k/ vs /tg/ with his arms tied to his virgin-penis.
>>142373778
Nah it's really just one guy saying magic can't be magic vs people saying magic is OP as shit since it is OP as shit.
>>142365696
I would make it like Stargate
The goth loli is so fucking stupid. A world full of stereotypical fantasy stuff and they push a fucking Japanese fashion style into this one character.
>magic isn't real
It's just manipulation of strings guys.
>>142373972
stargate was stupid, specially when the russia and china stepped in
>>142374050
>rub strings to create friction
>fire
>use strings to gather moisture
>water
>use strings to carve rocks
>earth
>use strings to do everything
>magic
>>142373820
>LN doesnt show a picture of her.
Oh look, a faggot who's wrong
>>142366939
Ofcourse, but people are confused on where to stand.
Between their historical ancestors or semi-realistic modern technology.
Ethnocentrism comes into play hard with this anime. If Japan is mowing them down easily, OMG ITS THE JSDF NATIONALISM. If Japan loses for some reason, WOW JAPAN IS WEAK. If they tie, THIS IS BORING SNOREFEST.
Human minds area really easy to read, even when they don't want to say anything. A generic sample can tell quite accurately what people are thinking. (This is what should scare you since the big data and AI like google can and will predict at a much more accurate level of what you think/write/ac in the futuret)
tl;dr anime sucks
>>142365696
>So how would you fix GATE?
Have the GATE lead to somewhere actually dangerous.
>>142370708
and then the show loses all the appeal it had.
>>142374050
>>142374137
I wonder who's behind this post...
>>142373808
Yeah but just write that the wizards didn't know about everything but visable light. At least at that moment. Done
>>142374176
I can't believe some idiot don't know that theres no picture of myuute in LNs
>>142374231
It is a mystery.
>>142374107
>stargate was stupid
>>142373669
There are four conventionally accepted fundamental interactions—gravitational, electromagnetic, strong nuclear, and weak nuclear. So if mage is protected from detection by electromagnetic then you need some detection system utilising gravitational, strong nuclear or weak nuclear interactions. Though maybe it's too much mental gymnastics.
Anyway I'm not familiar with LRAD, according to wiki it's not a way of detecting targets. Maybe you were going for some kind of echolocation?
If so then if silence spell protects from detecting people using sound then maybe it works in this case? Anyway no reason not too invent silence spell that lets sound go through you (just like invisibility lets light go through you). Maybe it already exists in DnD as there are probably creatures using echolocation.
>>142374313
>Yeah but just write that the wizards didn't know about everything but visable light.
>which is unlikely given that their world is populated by lots of parahumans.
>>142374210
If they were easy to read, then you would know it's only a minority who complain and the majority are okay with anime.
>>142374338
There's actually. Granted it's only on one of the covers and relatively small, but you can clearly see that her feathers are blue and not green.
Manga did his work right, Anime didn't. Not that that's surprising given all the other characters.
>>142374399
>silence spell
The quote chain is about a hypothetical wizard with access to only Invisibility and Flight.
>>142374210
Its like people that actually want to Rah-Rah the mages doesn't have a clue how destructive firearms are
They are like people who complained at Rambo cutting down the Myanmar faggots with the .50 cal machinegun saying its unrealistic its too gory, when its actually more tame than what a real .50 cal machinegun
>>142374451
Ok then if we're talking sneaking in, how good echolocation works if he's among the soldiers, under (or inside) a truck or whatever?
>>142374486
>have a clue how destructive firearms are
I'll tell you how destructive firearms are against somebody who is literally immune to bodily harm:
>>142374399
even if the mage can use silence spell to remove sound, that actually works against his favor against a simple sonar.
Radar operator: sir, this area here is weird, the waves are just bending around this area.
Officer: its a target, bomb that area
>>142365696
Add China. And make them kill each other to the point that Khorne has a massive boner.
>>142374451
What about the part above? How does echolocation work? Air's atoms bounce off some unmoving shit. Why do they bounce? Because of electromagnetic interactions. So what if invisibility protects mage from detection by electromagnetic interactions?
>>142374662
Anyway no reason not too invent silence spell that lets sound go through you (just like invisibility lets light go through you). Maybe it already exists in DnD as there are probably creatures using echolocation.
>>142374693
Don't think too deeply into it, otherwise you'll quickly find yourself wondering how the wizard can still see despite being invisible etc.
>>142374401
Because it just needed a lifetime of walking around and talking to other races simply to get that Alnus is a returning point.
Yeah no.
>>142374693
you mean it will pass through the mage? its impossible because the mage has mass, and it will detect him.
otherwise it will show bending around the area on the radar and it would look more suspicious.
>>142374692
CHAOS WORSHIPPER GET OUT OF MY CHRISTIAN BIBLE PICTURE FORUM
>>142374842
>its impossible because the mage has mass, and it will detect him.
So, how about light passing through him (and yet being stopped by his eyes)?
Magic, man. Fucking magic.
>>142374693
DnD invisibility does not protect you from echolocation.
>>142374878
so another asspull/handwave again
>>142374945
>Magic is asspull
>posting 3D
>posting memesYou are trolling, right?
>>142374917
Does it have to be DnD invisibility though?
