>people give CR money
>>111582586
>people gave UTW money
>>111582586
Are they different episodes?
>>111584697
Same episode.
>>111582586
Mostly normalfags who think giving money to CR supports the industry rather than buying products which actually support the industry in a real way.
And yet CR's subs are more accurate that most fansubbing groups
>>111584988
>staying purposely ignorant about copyright law in order to feel less guilty about stealing from japan.
>>111584988
This
I used to work with a normalfag, and when she found out I pirated instead of paying for CR she became visable upset and accused me of killing the industry
>>111582586
Their translations are full of mistakes, everybody knows it.
>>111585045
I buy japanese videogames and figures and sometimes other LE shit. What the fuck are you even posting about faggot?
I'm a normalfag and I'm pirating everything. Pirating is the way to keep big corporations away from power. They already have too much.
>>111585111
>buying figures
what a fucking waste of money
>>111585252
My cock, your ass
>>111585252
>what a fucking waste of money
Stop being jelly and poor. Go get some expendable income faggot.
>>111584988
but a significant portion of CR sub fees go to the anime producers
>>111585341
"significant"
>>111585341
There are still better ways to support the industry and Cr never released figures for what they give back to the studios. For all we know it could be a buck a CR sub.
>>111585377
>"significant"
you caught me!
I had this arguement with some friends of mine who were being smug cunts "I don't pirate anymore, I like to support the shows I like."
He left his CR account logged in on my laptop, I went through his history, and I can safely say, that I'm glad he's "supporting" those shows.
>>111585111
Most of the revenue from figures goes to the manufacturer and not the anime developer
I'm not saying you shouldn't buy them, spend your money on whatever you want, but they support the industry about as much as CR
>>111585096
They make roughly the same number of as the top-tier of fansubbing groups
And they don't take a week to get it done
>>111585709
I think it is safe to assume buying a figure or two would put more cash in studios pockets than a years worth of CR membership.
>>111585709
But at least you know how much is going to whom.
Also, figs aren't the only thing. Not him but I've bought figs, imported manga, video games, blu-rays, posters, etc.
There's also no reason to pay for CR, it's sub-par, supporting studios or not, I don't care for sub-par products, especially if it's going to be the only service available. Also, they're shady as fuck about how much tehy actually support anyone.
The Japanese government is starting something where you can watch episodes "for a few hundred yen" each, and honestly fuck that noise. I love anime but I'm not going to get nickle and dimed for my hobby.
>>111585794
And you think that's somehow acceptable for a professional service?
>>111585835
>Also, they're shady as fuck about how much tehy actually support anyone.
I still remember when the CEO did a AMA and got blown the fuck out by diaz
>>111585893
mfw
>>111585878
Yeah, I do
I don't even use crunchyroll, I don't mind waiting for fansubs. But It's $6 a month for subbing on-par with the best fansubs and they do it in hours, seems fine to me.
>>111585911
It was hilarious he responded with the "if you know so much why don't you help sub anime" attitude then only half answered 3 or 4 of the 7ish questions he asked.
>>111585878
I don't, which is why I don't give them my money.
>>111585893
The CEO also said that they make just as much money from a non-subscriber from ad revenue
>>111585969
>they don't translate op/ed
>don't type set
>surplus of errors in comparison to other groups
No thank you.
>>111585969
>on-par with free subs
If I'm paying them 600% more than fansubs they shouldn't be "on-par" with people who do it for fun. And I don't know where you're getting this "waiting a week" thing, it's not true at all.
>ITT: idiots parrot things without having the numbers to anything
>>111585969
Only reasons I ever use HorribleSubs is if other groups take too long, no other group has that significant of a quality upgrade, and http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-436082/horriblesubs-crunchyroll-ripping/
It's $6.95/month by the way.
>>111586120
>surplus of errors in comparison to other groups
Check out any fansubbing reviews, like the stuff done by 8thSin
They have a pretty similar number of errors
Fansubbing is dead anyway, Daiz became a shill and begged CR for a job in that Reddit thread (which he probably got).
>buying something you could get for free
>>111585252
At least it goes somewhere.
Giving CR money is tantamount to flushing it down a drain.
>Renting anime and manga
I'm not giving money to a company that varies so wildly in quality.
Some HS shows are decent but sometimes they're absolute dogshit like Hakiyuu.
And even when CR is "good", they're only decent by fansubbing standards, which is awful considering they're "professionals."
![[HorribleSubs] Haikyuu!! - 17 [720p].mkv_snapshot_09.09_[2014.07.30_18.14.24].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eNNKHvJ.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Haikyuu!! - 17 [720p].mkv_snapshot_09.09_[2014.07.30_18.14.24].jpg")
>>111585969
It's not on-par, it's markedly worse
This is fucking inexcusable. If I'm paying money for a service, this bullshit shouldn't pop up. Their subs should be top of the fucking line if they want me to pay money for them, instead of this bullshit.
>>111585969
I bet you think eating at McDonalds is acceptable.
Why am I supposed to support the industry? The money goes to the production committee. Am I supposed to give a shit about advertising executives and mobsters? The creative types who I'd like to support make peanuts and are worked to death. Fuck the industry
I will Post This in Every CR thread
>>111589627
The best part is there are shill translators who genuinely believe that CR translators are top of the line and can compete with real professional translators.
If that were the fucking case, they could just teach English in Asia and be set for life. A fucking English teacher in a top tier high school in Beijing makes more than Obama and gets his own personal chauffeur and big ass house free. Even if you don't aim that high surely there's plenty of jobs available that pay more than CR at least three fold.
![[HorribleSubs] Akame ga Kill! - 04 [720p].mkv_snapshot_02.20_[2014.08.01_02.55.48].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CYk0A1I.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Akame ga Kill! - 04 [720p].mkv_snapshot_02.20_[2014.08.01_02.55.48].jpg")
This is what you're getting with unfiltered CR releases.
>>111589847
It's because CR subbers are a bunch of NEETs working for peanuts.
>>111589891
Rurumo is way worse.
>>111586248
Reading through this is hilarious
>>111585893
I actually feel kind of bad for that, considering I'm getting a job there and all.
>>111589891
I take that's with madvr?
>>111589774
5. is a problem that's actually getting rampant. If I watch subs (CR/Funi/etc.), it's only because they are faster than good quality raws. Especially CR's performance has been disastrous lately considering they are working from script.
>>111586306
>8thSin
RIP
>>111590073
>BCTUk
>>111590077
How is madVR relevant?
>>111590073
>I actually feel kind of bad
Yeah, right.
>>111590077
>Streaming site
>madVR
>>111590204
MadVR has a great debanding algorithm that actually is noticeable.
>>111585412
>a buck a CR sub
You mean a buck per show licensed.
>>111590073
Daiz don't be a lying faggot.
Why are you working there? Were you just a real NEET addicted to interlacing porn?
>>111590261
>A buck per show licensed per ENTIRE watched episode
Le funding the industry face
>>111590073
>I'm getting a job there and all
Oh boy, the drama's going to be glorious. Please don't disappoint us.
>>111590057
It's giving me brain cancer.
>>111590373
>>111590286
Not his trip
>>111590373
>>111590286
That's not Daiz
>>111590073
Why?
What are you gonna be doing there?
What will this mean for your fansubs?
Please excuse me if you've answered these before -- I've been away for a while. I couldn't find anything on it, though.
>>111590444
read the thread newfag
>>111590430
>>111590441
I just realized.
I need to make more of a habit of reading the trip twice.
>>111590373
>>111590286
>Being retarded
>>111590430
Damn, you're right. I was careless and only give a quick glance.Now I'm disappointed
>>111590444
ah shit, it's not daiz.
Never mind, you lying faggot.
>>111590256
My toaster melts whenever I run MadVR, and I'm too stupid to into de-interlacing algorithms with Jinx and 3 taps vs 4, so I just switched back to vanilla CCCP
>>111590252
>Horriblesubs
>>111590463
So I was careless and didn't pay attention. Like you never made any mistakes ever.It's human error, big deal.
Wouldn't everyone benefit if HS didn't exist?
>>111590521
/a/nons are faultless
>>111590550
No? Several shows would have no release then.
>>111590577
>>111590502
>This is what you're getting with unfiltered CR releases.
>unfiltered
>>111590577
Well it certainly was a nice touch. You should have used this trip when the real daiz is actually posting. Much more effective that way since people will be even less likely to check every post's trip specifically.
>>111589774
Did they ever answer any of those questions?
>>111590720
Of course not.
>>111590575
Why? If a show needs to be subbed some group would come around to it.
>>111585341
>producer
No, they go to the publisher. None of the money goes to the animators directly whatsoever.
>>111590741
Really? What about all the times that has never happened?
You severely overestimate fansubbers
Why do we need to have this thread everyday?
>>111590822
Every day until futsuu starts translating Haikyuu again, presumably.
>>111590741
Now that gg is dead I don't see any of the big established groups going back for missed shows
>>111590741
>TesaBu
>Mountain Lesbians
>>111585215
no it isn`t.
>>111585341
when significant isnt fractional, less than 50 average bd sales, you can say this.
>>111585709
this is nearly true, its slightly better than cr.
>>111585794
1. no, they make a lot more
2. you had no idea what youre talking about
>>111589847
your ideas are a little off about english teaching.
to support the industry, buy the official media, such as discs manga drama cds singles osts etc.
its not hard to figure out.
>>111585051
These people are the worst, they think they're saving anime and treat you like a criminal. They forget than anime are a thing in europe/america because of fansubbing and piracy.
>>111589774
>5.
True justice Diaz. Tell them shit like that shouldn't happen.
>>111589774
why is Daiz everywhere?
>>111591027Because we have already sold our souls to him
>>111591027
He is where it matters.
>>111590981
They didn't "forget", they're stupid casuals who don't know anything at all about the or what CR originally was
>>111585341
No they don't you idiot, they go to the TV channels, the actual studios never see a cent.
>>111590656
Thanks. I've been trying to brute force his trip for around about 2 days or so. I'm determined to do get it.
>>111585969
>$6 a month
CR might do a bad job but at least they are not stealing your money.
In France we have wakanim, it's 2 euro per episode ! 2 EURO !!! And of course they don't translate OP/ED and made a lot of mistake like CR. Seriously fuck them.
>>111585969
Why wait 30 minutes for HS when you can pay 6$ for a stream, genius.
>>111591229
Because time is free and doesn't support cancer.
Plus, you can't pause a stream and shitpost on /a/.
>>111583052
So what? 50$ is a small sum. Considering how satisfied I was with their release of Rebellion, I should have given even more but ohh well.
>>111591259
I was being sarcastic.
>>111591286
With that money you can almost buy the actual BD which already has subs.
>>111589774
This is why I like Daiz.
>>111590720
>>111590739
They did, the responses just got "downvoted to oblivion".
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2b26ou/im_kun_gao_the_cofounder_and_ceo_of_crunchyroll/cj12bdq?context=3
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2b26ou/im_kun_gao_the_cofounder_and_ceo_of_crunchyroll/cj138o9?context=3
Re. the second link, they're supposed to answer 3, 4, 5 respectively but reddit's shitty markup messed it up.
If anyone's interested I'll match up the non-answers to the questions in Paint or something.
>>111586242
This
>>111591518
>With that money you can almost buy the actual BD which already has subs.
I did both, I simply prefer UTW over BD. Either way, I want to support the few sub groups I like because I believe that there I can actually make a small difference while I bought the BD more for collecting purposes.
>>111591598
Their responses didn't actually 'answer' anything concrete though.
>>111591624
If you want to support the industry, buy blu-rays. Your 7 bucks does fucking nothing
>>111591772
The 7 doesn't "do nothing"; it's just not the most efficient/smart use of the 7 bucks.
>>111591772
It's rather clear that a fraction of $7 is more than nothing. If people think they are supporting the industry by paying for CR, why interfere with their process? What's it to a pirate? Yes, buying BD will support the industry significant'y more, but why complain with what people are doing with their money
>>111591843
Even handing 7 dollars to the animators would do nothing
>>111590987
IT'S THE PIRATES FAULT.
>>111591598
>1: Lel y don't u just do it :)
>2: no we won't fix our shit, we want to pump out more shit for fresh cash
>3: We don’t always translate the shows on our site; sometimes we steal from fansubs and they just never release a v2 or v3
>>111591904
Not the guy you're responding to, but I just personally loathe CR. The history of the company and the people involved is enough reason to avoid giving them money.
Also, the fact that fansubs produce higher quality work for free is embarassing to the ostensible "professionals".
>>111591904
Because it runs the risk of western fans thinking CR is the best way to support and that is bad since it disregards more efficient ways to actually help. Less money that could have gone back to Japan where the actual production and financing decisions are made etc, that sort of thing.
>>111591953
BAA
>>111591843
It does do nothing, the money goes to the TV channels, do you think they'd ask studios to make more stuff because they are getting 70k tops per month from a random website in the west? Of course not, they never did that to begin with and you giving them that little of your money won't change shit
>>111592000
Like, what the fuck, is he serious?
"Lol you come do better" was he part of Hadena?
>>111592047
Not every fan can afford to constantly by BD for each show they view in order to have superior support. CR provides a relatively cheaper outlet to support the industry, even if it is at a fraction of the cost.
>>111592413
All I want is for CR subscribers to get off their fucking high horse. I don't care what you do, but don't pretend that you're some pariah of generosity because you're dropping less than 10 bucks. Your contribution is so fucking miniscule it's not even funny, so don't pretend that your contribution is any higher than that of someone who pirates everything.
>>111592413
It doesn't support the industry, though. Crunchyroll only pays a flat licensing fee back to Japan. Your individual payment only goes into the pockets of the CR CEO.
>>111592641
>don't pretend that your contribution is any higher than that of someone who pirates everything.
They are not pretending. Someone who gives the anime industry a single cent de facto contributes more to it than a pirate.
I completely agree with the miniscule part. If you haven't spent at least fifty thousand yen, your contribution is pretty much negligible. That doesn't mean that you should not spend any money at all, even small contributions add up and a million people paying only 10$ each still means 10 million $.
>>111592784
CR isn't the anime industry though, nerd.
>>111592784
I pirate all my anime and I support the industry way more than the average CR user. I buy lots of anime related merchandise.
>>111592641
This argument of 'don't support because it's hardly anything' is analogous with the argument of only voting for Republican or Democrat or not at all because otherwise your vote will amount to nothing. Some is more than none, indubitably. Any argument otherwise is lack of basic intelligence.
>>111592875
You're implying that the average CR user doesn't buy anime merchandise, something I'm sure you're claiming to justify your actions.
>>111592413
See >>111592875
Buying merchandise does support the industry a lot more, but not all fans can afford it
>>111593031
>implying the average CR user buys merchandise
>average CR user
>>111593067
My bad, >>111592875 see >>111592413
>>111592872
Thank you captain obvious.
>>111592875
Obviously by pirate I meant someone who does not spend any money at all on it. Otherwise what I said would be wrong.
![[Irrational Typesetting Wizardry] NouCome - 06 [2110C3E3].mkv_snapshot_12.43_[2013.11.21_16.28.14].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/URslpU7.jpg "[Irrational Typesetting Wizardry] NouCome - 06 [2110C3E3].mkv_snapshot_12.43_[2013.11.21_16.28.14].jpg")
>>111593031
>You're implying that the average CR user doesn't buy anime merchandise
And you're saying they do?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Funi DBZ DVDs don't count nerd. 90% of CR sub base is fucking retard normie weebs that think a Kyoani is some sort of bread roll they buy in Japantown.
>>111593245
I'm not claiming I even know who the average CR user is. I'm simply suggesting the anon replied to doesn't know either.
I will say on a personal account I know at least one person who pays for CR and still buys merch. Of the few people I'm aware of who do pay for CR, I've never asked them if they buy merch because I don't care that much to ask.
>>111593425
A logical conclusion to reach is that the more intelligent someone is, the greater likelihood that they will realize that CR is shit and decide to support the industry in another way.
Why is the Haikyuu translation so bad when all the other shows aren't at that level of terribleness? I just want to watch cute boys play volleyball and be moe.
>>111593616
Then download Commie.
>b-but /a/ told me to always post ">commie" whenever someone mentions commie! they're bad because /a/ told me so, it's true, I swear!
>>111593692
Commie is like 8 episodes behind you mongoloid.
>>111593794
Whoops. Sorry, didn't know. I put it on hold to marathon at the end, I did the same with Space Dandy and Commie has yet to release episode 13 four months later. I'm still waiting, I should have gone with HS months ago but I'm too stubborn. And herkz told me they would be releasing it soon. Yeah right. Goddammit.
>>111593859
Commie is dead.
>>111593031
>>111592784
You don't get it, you could be paying $100 a month and there could be 10,000 of you, it doesn't matter, the studios already got paid and all that money is going to the TV channels who have a partnership with CR, they don't about what you like, nothing, nothing is going to change because you gave CR a million dollars, aside from the boss getting a nice vacation.
If you want to support the industry take the money you spend on CR and buy a BD a year or buy a fucking doll.
Jesus christ this "CR helps anime" mentality is disgusting.
>>111585028
They literally get given the episode and the script days before it airs and there are still mistakes often.
>CR shills on /a/
>You're supporting the industry, really!
Buy a fucking ad you pieces of shit, there's a reason that moot has made it so easy to do so.
>Having flash installed
>Actively harming the industry by supporting CR
>Not getting accurate subtitles because of over-localization and flat out mistranslations
Why do people like this even post on /a/? Using CR at all should be a banable offense.
i really hate these threads
you should all consider sudoku
>>111594772
>i really hate these threads
>you should all consider sudoku
Look upon this creature and weep, for the CR Shill cannot even utilize capitalization and punctuation.
>>111594772
Don't you mean seppuku, nerd?
>>111594833
ahahaha my sides. "shill" ahahaha ebin
Kill yourself, faggot.
>>111594958
>Shitposting this hard
That's nice damage control, but no one is going to buy from you because of /b/ tier retorts.
>>111594772
>>111594833
>>111594958
>>111595023
That was mean, I aplogize. I just don't like seeing CR threads full of the same old shit first thing in the morning. Especcially since last time I saw it, it was on the last pages with only one reply. I do hope you're just shitposting though, because your replies are fucking retarded.
Maybe you could start out by giving us a history of Crunchyroll.
Crunchyroll started in the middle of 2006. Three other founders and I were friends. We met at UC Berkeley. We’re all electronic engineering and computer science majors. Back then anime was really picking up everywhere--in the dorms, on campus, people were watching it. We got really into animation.
After we left college in 2004 we all went our separate ways, some of us going to grad school, others working in industry, mostly on consumer facing Websites. Eventually we all met back again and we decided to work on anime as a nights and weekends passion project. We still had work during the day and we were sinking quite a bit of our own money in and maxing out credit cards because the bandwidth bill was so high. It eventually got to a point around the middle of 2007 when all we could do was keep the site up. There were so many things to do.
We voluntarily quit our jobs. It was really a very scary moment because we didn’t know how things were going to turn out, but we had a lot of faith that because we were servicing a lot of passionate fans and were building a site that fans can enjoy, it would turn out for the best.
After that we started talking to venture capitalists. They became very interested because there were so many passionate fans on the site--they were not just into watching content, but also community and the full social networking experience. We received funding from Venrock (that’s the venture arm of the Rockefeller family), in December of 2007. From then on we’ve been very aggressively licensing content, and taking down unlicensed content.
We’ve set up an office in Japan. We actually have a subsidiary now in Japan talking to all the license holders and licensing all the content that we can get our hands on. That’s pretty much where we are now.
>>111595643
You mentioned Venrock, and a month or two ago we did a story about Gonzo also being an investor. Are those the only two investors?
Venrock is the only institutional investor. We have a number of other strategic investors including Gonzo.
>>111595677
What was the original monetization strategy?
I don’t think it’s changed. There haven’t been too many external factors that affected our business plan. What we’ve always looked for are ways to monetize online digitally. Once we monetize we look to revenue share with licensors. That way they can tap into this audience that they’ve never been able to monetize before. The three ways we’re doing that now are:
With ad supported free streaming. That way people can watch content for free but we can serve an ad and we revenue share that with the publishers.
The subscription plan which we’re launching January 8. This includes the hit shows that we’ve licensed such as Naruto Shippuden, Gintama, Skip Beat, Shugo Chara. People can, if they pay a few dollars a month they can watch one hour after it airs in Japan. It’s never been done before. It’s a very exciting time.
We also offer other options such as DTO and also we’re starting to explore virtual merchandising.
We offer a lot of different options for publishers to monetize their content.
Seems paying Crunchyroll does support the industry.
>>111595643
>>111595677
>>111595710
Why are you posting this? The shit thread was about to die.
>>111595744
Where the fuck are you getting that from? Other than CR shills saying you support it buy giving them more money there is nothing that says that anywhere. Even the Japanese artists who posted on /a/ have said they only use it to gauge numbers.
>>111594872
Fucking commit mahjong
So many people pay for CR because normalfag nests like leddit ban people for talking about fansubs
>>111595749
People claiming CR does nothing for the industry are dead wrong. It's how the industry is setup with merchandising, streaming, broadcasting and distribution rights. CR is just a piece of the total pie. You want to help the industry, piracy doesn't no matter what you want to believe. Simple as that.
Now fuck off /a/ and stop killing my animoo!
>>111596018
>Implying the western market effects what the Japs do in the least
Please, keep telling yourself that you make a difference
>>111595829
Just how media is licensed around the world not just Japan.
>>111596018
CR is not a piece of the total pie at all, if you aren't importing you are actively hurting the industry no matter which middleman you give your money to to make yourself feel better. CR pays a flat rate and nothing more so do pirates, you see at least one pirate pays for BDs. The only difference is how much the flat rate is and whether you are giving your money to a middleman or to someone who actually reviews the subs before sending them out. If you want to support the industry import, otherwise stop whining about pirates since buying from CR is no better.
>>111595937
>ban people for talking about fansubs
They really do that ?
>>111596175
Yes, they really do that, it's stated like, seven times in their rules that you can't even fucking mention torrenting
>>111596084
It's not what affects Japanese animation, it's about how the animation industry get's paid.
CR pays for the rights or shares it's revenue depending how they've licensed it. In what way does paying the industry not help the industry?
>>111596175
It's illegal woooooo piracy kills children in Japan everyday, way to go, Hitler.
>>111596271
Because the Japanese otaku are the only thing the industry cares about, everything else is just an after thought
>>111596271
Because TV channels, who are who CR pays, aren't part of the industry in a major way since they do a one time deal and that's it and that value doesn't change because a million people use CR.
CR pays the TV channel X and after that point it's profit for CR.
>>111596175
Reddit, like CR, is a traded company now anon, that means everything has to be above board since their stockholders would be mad if they hosted copyrighted content or talked about ways to subvert laws like DRM cracking.
>>111596271
They don't share the revenue, they drop series that actually demand to do that. Why do you think they don't have YnS this season? They pay one flat rate, if a hundred BDs got imported you would already outclass that single sum for almost all anime. The only one you're supporting by paying CR is CR's executives and investors, if you want to support the industry you have to import, otherwise you're no better than the pirates you love to complain about.
>>111596157
Yes but when you import you just paid the publisher and not the studios. It amounts to the same thing though in a different way.
>>111596396
The publishers have a direct deal with the studio, X goes to one side Y to the other, not thr case with CR.
>>111596396
Publisher is actually obliged to pay a percentage of revenue to the studio for domestic sales, the flat rate they get from CR does not have to be distributed so evenly, not to mention that they get a percentage from the BD sales as opposed to a one time sum of money.
>>111596376
But they are because the studios get paid by distributing rights to their products. The producers pay for these and make money in turn. The more money the producer can make the more money flows to the studios.
>>111595829
Hey you know even a miniscule contribution is still a contribution, which is more than worthless fucking pirates bring to the table. And the fact of the matter is that a contribution is being made (in the form of licensing fees) it might not make you happy that more of your seven bucks isn't being funneled directly to the artists but that's just the realities of any industry where you get content from a third (or fourth or fifth...) party vendor. CR wouldn't pay licensing fees if they didn't turn a profit off their subscribing members.
Thus subbing > CR renews contracts > industry is supported to some degree
compare:
piracy > you're a worthless waste of oxygen even if you do buy figs to jerk off on (lol gj supporting fig manufatures)
>>111596233
>>111596381
>>111596283
Oh wow, I never browse reddit because I find the upvote thing retarded but I can see why /a/ hate it so much now.
ITT people who bitch at others to "support the industry" while pirating all their anime and never buying anything
>>111596673
>never buying anything
Cool assumption, shill.
>>111596381
CR's existence still assists in providing revenue to the industry. Since the industry has negotiated some deal with CR it must be beneficial to them.
Just because you don't think it's fair doesn't mean it's not fair.
If CR was blatantly stealing, as a company worth in excess of 100 million they would be an easy target for lawsuits from copyright infringement.
>>111596531
>>111596601
No matter what industry you apply that to it's still a fallacy. Music, games, anime, TV, the entire concept that "if the person who bought the rights makes it popular they'll buy more of the same and support the artist" has and always will be untrue.
No amount of money going to CR will support the industry in even the smallest amount in turn, if you are not buying from a first party publisher you are harming the industry, no matter what. If you don't import and buy figs you are only paying money to make yourself feel good and none of it is going to make one iota of difference to the studio in Japan. A pirate who buys one BD does more for the industry than a hundred million CR subscribers ever could, since the pirate actually sent back $30 of the $300 BD to the studio where the CR subscribers sent back $0 of their subscription.
Whoever makes the AOTY will receive fifteen American dollars from me sent through the mail.
>>111596731
Unless you are importing BDs at 90~ American dollars per 2 episodes whatever it is you are buying is nearly worthless insofar as supporting the industry with margins that are the same as or at best *marginally* better then the ones 'the artist' will get for a CR sub.
>>111596762
It's not, the only reason they sell to CR is because otherwise it's a lost sale most of the time. If they actually got 1% of domestic sales in imports they would stop altogether selling to CR since it would be infinitely beneficial to them.
>>111596786
>sent back 0$ of their subscription
Patently untrue, how can you expect anyone to debate with you when you throw out blatant falsehoods like that? If the Japanese animation industry got literally 0 dollars from CR, CR wouldn't exist because of all the lawsuits
>>111596871
>Unless you are importing BDs at 90~ American dollars per 2 episodes
I do that if I really love the show.
And being able to act smug towards CRfags is a really nice bonus.
>>111597010
If CR did not support the industry, why would the industry still give business to CR?
>>111597010
CR pays a flat rate, none of your subscription goes to the industry. You're misreading my argument, if you support CR you are only supporting CR beyond the one miniscule flat rate they pay, $0 of your subscription goes back, no percent, beyond the flat rate they get nothing. It doesn't matter if one person, or if 6 trillion people subscribe to CR the same low rate goes back to the studio, if you don't import you are only supporting CR and no amount of the fallacy that "it will make them buy more like what I like" will change that.
>>111596786
But he didn't, the pirate who bought the BD paid the publisher who owns the rights to distribute the BDs. Just like the music industry.
If the deal to stream is far worse than purchasing BDs, then the industry needs to ask itself the question of whether it's business practices are sound.
In the end, stealing is stealing and a subscriber on CR is paying for everything it watches, not just when it feels like it.
But go ahead and continue to delude yourself into thinking you are doing more harm than good.
So the ideal situation for the studios is that CR gets the minimal amount of subscribers to afford the licences, while maximum amount of people buy blu-rays/merchandise?
>>111596662
Reddit is useful as a link aggregator for certain materials. It's also very good for Q&A sessions because the most relevant questions are usually near the top. It's also sometimes good as a source of information. For example, /r/buildapc is a much better place to check out when first building a computer than posting "build me a computer pls gentoomen" on /g/. Same deal with some other subreddits as well. Although /r/LearnJapanese is shit compared to DJT, so that most certainly does not always hold true.
But the problem is when people go beyond using it for these purposes, and start using it as a community. You cannot have a decent community with upvotes and threaded comments that work like reddit's does. At least with a regular forum replies are sorted by time, regardless of whether there's a like button or not. It simply isn't possible to have any sense of culture when the format of your site actively prohibits discussion.
>>111597137
Because they don't care shit other than domestic sales.
Seriously, if you want to support the industry then use your money to import BDs and/or merchandises.
Giving your money through CR will only benefit CR.
>>111597244
You entirely glossed over how they are only letting CR distribute because otherwise it's an entirely lost market. The BDs have to pay a percent back to the studio, CR does not, the only one deluding themselves here is you because you somehow believe that money you give to CR has any effect on the industry compared to a single BD purchase.
>>111597244
>In the end, stealing is stealing
Piracy is piracy, and it's justified when it's a superior product. No self-respecting person would pay for something that is inferior to a free alternative. Get out moralfag, we don't need CR shills shitting up the board.
>>111597250
The ideal situation is CR doesn't exist and normies buys BDs directly.
>>111597164
What happened to your "a little is better than nothing" argument huh? Abandoning it when it is convienent for you?
>>111597405
Too bad the fucking normies are too autistic to realize the "legit" subs don't matter for shit
>>111597418
This is an anonymous board anon.
You might be arguing with a lot more posters than you think.
>>111597244
>pirates buying BD
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA
>>111597326
You fail to understand how licensing works.
Stop pirating and pay for everything if you really care. Theft is theft, no matter how you want to justify it.
>>111597475
Everyone knows there is only me and that one guy who disagrees with me
>>111597478
>what is a pirate
I bet you think you are a pirate because you torrent musics and movies.
>>111597496
>piracy is theft
>>111597496
>Theft is theft, no matter how you want to justify it.
2003 called, they want their argument back.
>>111597418
A little is better than nothing, and a lot is better than a little. If you import you are giving back a lot, if you don't you are giving back virtually nothing or nothing. Buying from CR is never justified, if you buy from them you are worse than anyone who imports. It's stealing compared to actually buying a BD, and after all, stealing is stealing.
>>111596601
While piracy doesn't directly support the industry, it's essentially free advertisement towards people who aren't willing to pay for the content in any scenario. Part of this group does end up supporting the industry by buying merchandise.
>>111597496
Supporting CR causes CR to continue to exist, which is a cancer upon western anime culture. Pirates do more for anime than CR subscribers even if they never buy a single BD.
>>111597405
Yes because if CR disappeared people would just stop watching airing anime and wait a year to buy BD for $200 each.
Or they would pirate for free.
>>111597379
It's not justified. It's only justified in your head because you don't want to pay and actually support the industry. What a fucktard who defends the industry while undermining it at the same time.
>>111597496
>Stop pirating and pay for everything if you really care
I have a full set of all 3 season of shana.
Don't assume everyone just watch and forgets like you.
Some people here are willing to throw money at something they truly care.
>>111597496
>Stop pirating
Why? It's not like I would want to buy it twice, and the pirate product has subs unlike the import.
>>111597496
Yes, because paying 10 cents per episodes when it actually costs $30 is much better.
>BUT I'M SUPPORTING THE INDUSTRY AND YOU'RE NOT HURRRR
Fuck off.
It has been stated multiple times already, the people who made the show aren't seeing a cent of what you're paying if you want to support them fucking take your money and buy a BD at the end of the year for your favorite show and pirate everything else, CR doesn't pay the producers, they pay who ever owns the rights, which where already bought way before CR even knew what was happening, CR has no influence over the anime industry. Get that through your fucking empty skull.
The worst part about CR is the video quality.
Absolutely inexcusable.
>>111597592
Those pirates downloading fansubs that are probably ripped from CR or another subber that does?
>>111597405
CR should exist, ideally Japanese animation would have streaming, broadcast and distribution rights in all countries. Globalization would be far better for the industry as a whole.
>>111597496
>Stop pirating and pay for everything if you really care.
Scenario 1:
Pirate -> Find things I like -> Import them from Japan
Scenario 2:
Don't pirate -> Don't know if I'll like anything -> Buy nothing
>>111597693
Yes, because they aren't supporting CR by doing so, so they're doing a favor to the industry. I don't know how streamfags like you ever thought you had a right to be on /a/.
>>111597693
You know, fansubs were a thing before CR happened, if you are able to get a free script and then you're able to fix it up a bit later why should you bother doing an original translation? Fansubbers couldn't care less if CR died.
>>111597709
Because no one ever bought anything before pirating existed. The entire international economy suddenly sprang into existence as soon as pirating started
>>111585969
>on par with the best fansubs
>>111597704
Getting anime on actual TV channels over CR would be much better, that, that would help the industry.
>>111597778
Yeah, with anime. VHS fansubs and shit. Why don't you just get out, CR shill?
>>111597704
Ideally there wouldn't be streaming at all for anything and Adobe products would stop existing altogether. Ideally you could buy a DRM free download from the Japanese producer and put a groups fansubs on it.
>>111597778
You do know that the first global economy was based on piracy right? Buying goods from the east and replicating them created demand for the real goods from the east.
>>111597745
I dont stream anything or pay CR but whatever helps you sleep at night cocksucker>>111597475
>>111597562
Yes while making a copy of something is indeed the modern definition of piracy in this case, it's still stealing because the people who created the work are not being compensated. In the end the effect is you stole money from them by making a copy of their work and not paying them for it.
I know you understand the concept whether you chose to accept it or not.
>>111597778
That's actually true for a lot of things, yes.
>>111597826
>with no subs
>>111597866
>you stole money from them
You're literally lying.
>>111597866
>it's still stealing because the people who created the work are not being compensated
This argument again.
>>111597890
>with no subs
What? Are you saying actual TV channels would just broadcast anime without subs? If anything the Japanese themselves could make subs, I don't see your point.
>>111597866
>implying everyone who pirates would have paid for the product if piracy did not exist
2004 called, they want their argument back.
>>111597866
>You stole money from them
>They still have the item
>They can still use the item
>They can still sell the item
>>111597866
Literally pantsu on head retarded.
You're not "stealing", if you listen to a song in the street that you didn't buy you aren't stealing it, no one lost money because of that, you'd not buy a BD of a show if you never saw, you just wouldn't, if anything it's actually good to pirate because if you like a show you can actually buy it and not want to kill yourself afterwards.
And in the case with CR you're actually not paying the producers anything since they were already paid so you're also stealing, there.
Why are you even on here anyway?
>>111597572
You only 'give' to the publisher who owns the rights for the BD distribution and steal everything else.
That sounds totally fair, if it were you and you put a couple hundred grand into an animation which 99% of the world downloaded and watched for free you'd like it right?
>>111586162
In fact, it's A LOT more than 600%. It's infinite % more.
Why do we still have people on /a/ who defend CR in any way in 2014? We have had this same thread over and over and over again. There's no point. CR shills and moralfags do not comprehend logic.
>>111597919
In other words a Jap version of CR? Oh the irony
>>111597661
Right and the other 100 titles you didn't pay for say thanks.
You guys are really fucked up to think you help at all.
>>111598021
I guess it's 10 cent for how much it costs you to download the show, math checks out, if you live in freedom.
>>111597919
Because the anime companies totally make subs
>>111597679
Yes CR pays whomever owns the rights. Just like the BD sales, TV broadcast or movie rights holders.
You pay the rights holders who paid the studios.
>>111598066
>Right and the other 100 titles you didn't pay for say thanks.
How the fuck is this fucking relevant? One BD box supports the industry more than a lifetime CR subscription.
Why do you people even come to /a/? Why do you think your idiotic morals will be accepted here?
>>111598066
Yes, you gave $1 to each producer of every show you watched and in the end it's not even close to those 3 BDs.
Good on you dude, good on you.
>>111598091
It doesn't cost that.
>>111597598
What happens when CR disappears:
1. Fansubbing won't die.
2. Less normies watches anime -> less newfriends on /a/
3. People who actually want to support the industry actually buy the BDs rather than feeling satisfied from 'subscribing'
Where does the money come from that CR pays to the studios?
Also, is there a reputable source that details CR's business model and how the studious are paidor am I left to trust the claims of the anons on this board?
>>111597709
Scenario 3:
CR Subscription -> Find things I like -> Buy the BDs from Japan
Now the industry wins, and those you like win twice.
>>111598122
>Just like the BD sales
No you idiot, BD sales affect the studio directly. Jesus fucking christ.
The studio sells the show/buys airtime from the TV channel, that TV channel then talks to CR and gets money from CR so CR can stream it, the money from CR goes all to the channel because the channel already paid/got paid for the show, CR ALWAYS comes after and never even comes in consideration in the math about how much the show costs, so yeah, irrelevant.
>People actually feeling morally superior for pirating
Can't you retards just admit that you're thieves who want stuff for free?
>>111598192
In the recent AMA it is stated that CR pays a fraction to its 'content partner' whoever that is.
mfw losers flipping shit over $12
>>111597709
ahahahahah
How about something a little more realistic anon?
>Scenario 1: Pirate -> Find things I like -> Enjoy them, then forget about them as I move on to the next thing
>Scenario 2: Don't pirate (also don't watch advertisements or consumer reviews) -> Don't know if I'll like anything -> Buy nothing
You seriously think anyone on /a/ has payed for even 1% of the anime they've watched (since a CR sub isn't paying, only buying BDs for 90 bucks plus shipping is)? How many shows come out per season? Like 10-20? 80 shows a year, lowballing it - and this is /a/ where all the autists pride themselves on their encyclopedic knowledge of every show that gets released. Their ability to recognize any show that aired in recent memory based on a single screenshot of any distinctive character, background, or art style. You think those people are shelling out thousands of dollars a month to keep up with 'board culture'? Because I sure as fuck don't.
So pay, or don't but don't act righteous because that one time you really liked a show so you shelled out for it so you could have one or two physical copies alongside the terabytes of pirated anime on your drives.
>>111598239
That's true, I want free stuff, do I feel superior for it? No. Is it a fact that piracy helps in one way or another? Yes.
>>111598192
CR is hush hush about their business from what I remember, and I think they've been called out on it before
>>111597897
Net effect is the same hence why the world over there has been a big push to stop people from sharing digital copies of media.
>>111598239
I torrent my anime, wont deny it but at the same time i could just as easily wait 1 day and watvh it on hulu.
If i could afford to buy it, i would.
>>111598239
>Can't you retards just admit that you're thieves who want stuff for free?
I will pay for something that I like, that is by buying the BDs.
And yes, paying subscription to CR will only fattens CR's wallet and their 'content partners'.
>>111598274
That's nice and all but it doesn't make what he said wrong, people actually import stuff from Japan, shocker, I know, you don't do it, I don't either, but there are people who do and guess what they probably pirated it.
>>111598274
>but don't act righteous because that one time you really liked a show so you shelled out for it
But they have already done more than a CR normalshit every would just through that.
>>111597920
Nope, but in a perfect world for the rights holders you would have paid or they'd be compensated in some form.
Like a subscription to CR for instance...
>>111598259
>CR shills
>>111598285
I find that hard to believe since there are those here stating who's getting paid and how much.
>>111598192
>>111598249
>'content partner'
Aka not the studios.
But CR will tell you otherwise because that makes people feel better.
>>111597942
But they didn't make anything from piracy and widespread distribution illegally of their works. And why by the BD when I can just download it for free and have in a few hours?
How does that help the industry? Your arguments are completely baseless or without merit.
