>a huge number of Manga and Anime fans, over 50% of them in U.S. and 12% in Japan, are watching or reading pirated works.
>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as JPY 2 trillion (approximately US$ 20 billion).
Piracy wouldn't be so bad if Japan would have translated anime and manga and sold to countries outside of theirs. It can't be helped, they have nobody to blame, but themselves.
>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as JPY 2 trillion (approximately US$ 20 billion).
Yes because I'd buy the blurays to cuteloliharem24 if I couldn't download it.
>>111536789
>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as from JPY 0 to JPY 2 trillion
Fix'd.
Let me guess, the people who paid for this study were the unbiased media companies that produce anime?
But anime is available in a convenient and legal way.in the US
>they lost money internationally from anime and manga that will never be localized.
seems about right
For manga even if there are cases where it is localized it's usually localized at a snails pace or never finished anyway.
Will companies ever understand that pirated copy wouldn't necessarily be a paid for copy?
>>111536904
>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as JPY 2 trillion (approximately US$ 20 billion).
Horseshit.
I remember we had a poll where 80% of /a/ said they would pretty much abandon the hobby if Japan SHUT IT DOWN and we entered the anime dark ages. Getting anime from legit sources is a colossal pain in the ass, and you won't even know what will be good.
>>111537664
No, I'm quite convinced they'll never understand that.
>>111538602
>and you won't even know what will be good
/a/ doesn't know that even now.
>>111537422
What they're REALLY mad about is that no greedy American corporation will buy up the rights to localize.
Considering that most American corporations just sit on the rights forever, it's really only damaging to the consumer.
>>111538716
At least now you can pick up the first three eps easily enough to see if you rike it.
Just think. There is a world where the dark ages already happened and half of /a/ preodered Darker Than Black S2.
>>111536789
piracy wouldn't happen if i could get fucking japan channels
>>111538936
>preorder darker than black s2
the horrors, why can't bones ever make a good sequel?
>>111536789
>2 trillion
How many discs is that?
>>111538736
Why the fuck does this happen anyway? Why buy the rights to shit you don't even intend to sell? This doesn't seem to make any sense at all from a business perspective.
>>111536789
>a huge number of Manga and Anime fans, over 50% of them in U.S. and 12% in Japan, are watching or reading pirated works.
somehow I really doubt that ONLY half of american Anime/Manga watchers do watch stuff illegally, because that would mean that the other half are actually idiot suckers that pay for this shit.
I mean, sure some people might buy particular pieces of media here and there, but even they (and everybody else) uses "piracy" for the rest
>>111539781
two.
>>111539887
>Why the fuck does this happen anyway? Why buy the rights to shit you don't even intend to sell? This doesn't seem to make any sense at all from a business perspective.
Companies do this shit all the time to prevent other companies from getting a hold on a potentially lucrative set of rights. It may cost them money to sit on a copyright, but the opportunity cost of letting some other company get its grubby mitts on a potential deal is still higher.
Basically companies are a bunch of greedy jooz, and if pirating sources went down 98% of our chinese cartoons and comics would be flushed down the toilet.
>>111536789
Well, maybe if there was a way to watch anime legally in my country I wouldn't have to pirate shit. The closest is either crunchyroll (with half the anime blocked because hur dur rights) or waiting for a cinema to realese it, and who the fuck wants to watch anime with 80+ annoying people?
>>111539981
I'm certain 100% of American anime/manga fans have pirated anime/manga in one form or another considering how easy it is to download/watch/read online, it's just some of them also go on to buy the shit they like.
>>111536789
Just think, it if wasn't for SAO and SnK, it would be over 99%.
But let's face it, we all knew it was going to happen. Scanlations and fansubs were only tolerated because it was free marketing and publicity for a potentially vast new market. Now that anime is mainstream, they are now seen as harmful.
>>111540118
You could use something like NijiTV (it's free) to just watch it live.
>can't even be assed to provide good quality translations or even English websites
>get mad when I don't give them money
Oh Japan, this is why you're in permanent recession.
>>111540238
Any software that allows you to watch television not from you own region is piracy.
>>111540118
>Anime in the cinemas
What kind of weird otaku haven are you living in?
>>111537422
Feels good to be a Yurofag, we get a lot of them localized.
>>111540364
That's not true at all. It's perfectly legal.
>>111539781
About 5 Nichijou BDs, or 4 trillion BDs of Teekyuu
>>111540364
in addition to that, watching a show without the advertisements is also "piracy"
yes, this is an actual argument by the industry, and there are suckers who defend that shit
>>111540580
>>111540364
The thing I mentioned doesn't remove advertisements and has its own built into the UI in order to pay for its licenses. There's nothing illegal about it at. It's a free legal way for people to watch Japanese TV live (with a bit of a delay actually).
>>111536789
I won't pay for something that I can get for free in the fucking TV.
>the Swiss study found one in three of the country's citizens over the age of 15 downloaded forms of entertainment illegally. However, it concluded that this demographic is not spending less money on entertainment as a result, so the entertainment industry may not be losing money as a result.
There you go. All you needed to do was adhere to rationality and look at the real facts and not be a moralizing cunt about it.
>>111540441
Feels bad living in Europa but not knowing French, German or Italian.
>>111540429
Mexico. We occasionally get anime picked up by cinemas and distributed - for example, later this month we are getting the first season of free!.
The thing is that watching anime with a room full of people is shit. There's 99% it will be mostly weebs because normal people (or even decently behaved fans) don't usually pay $7 for a ticket when the normal ones go for $3.
People who apply for anime translating projects are either trash or have very bad quality control. The Anohana movie had lots of memes like "I'm forever alone" and several misspellings.
>>111540441
>>111540832
>tfw every qt girl that likes anime here is guaranteed to be spoiled by Animexx
>sign up to crunchyroll
>literally 5 minutes
>get access to licensed anime
how is this hard?
>>111536789
>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as JPY 2 trillion (approximately US$ 20 billion).
How on earth do they come to these ridiculous figures? Why do they make gross assumptions then extrapolate them retrospectively?
It's their own damn fault that they can't and failed to monetise it when they had the chance. Trying to backtrack and change what is now so ingrained and steadfast as to how western audiences access these materials is a greedy and naive thing to do.
>>111540441
>Feels good to be a Yurofag, we get a lot of them localized.
>localized
>good thing
I bet you pay to stream dubbed anime you fucking fag.
>>111540867
Stop complaining and support the industry, we even got an anime cicle at the national cinematheque which have tickets as low as $2 .They're having mindgame today. I'm kind of excited.
>(approximately US$ 20 billion)
Every time
I hate jews.
I don't even get why anybody would like them in the first place. Even their own religious texts shit all over them.
If that shit was priced reasonably, the damages would be a hundred times less, and people might actually buy it
>>111540867
>Mexico
>Free
Wait, what?
If they want our money then they should advertise and make it easier to buy merchandise.
>Piracy wouldn't be so bad if Japan would have translated anime and manga and sold to countries outside of theirs.
You and I both know that people would just pirate the translated versions, OP.
>USAF
>everyone pirates games
>everyone pirates anime
>if our provider tells us to stop we just say we'll shoot them or something
>if anyone tries to take anyone to court over the matter we just say we'll shoot them or something
>it works 100% of the time
>>111538602
>tfw my quality of life will improve if Japan does shut it down.
>>111542615
>Provider.
>Scared of the Chair force.
Nigga what.
What price does anon think is fair for Anime and Manga?
>>111540832
I dont know, i've read the hitsugie no chaika manga localized to germany and it felt pretty weird. I prefer readeading my animu and manga in english.
>>111536789
most of japanese media wouldn't be read/watched as much as if is, if it weren't free. it's the free part that brings so many people to it.
Suck my cock, Japan
There's very few anime I'd ever consider buying. The most I'd pay is 15-20$ for a blu ray
Maybe I wouldn't pirate it if all the shows aired on tv in Japanese. Too bad that isn't an option. I don't see why they care about me pirating their commercials. Do they not want gaijin buying their merchandise?
>>111536789
>(approximately US$ 20 billion).
Where does this number come from? Is this yearly, per decade, last 69 years? How anyone could believe this shit is beyond me.
>>111541819
20 billion dollars is roughly 333,333,333 japan priced disks. Highly doubtful anime has sold that many vhs / dvd / bds in it's entire existence.
Stay stupid japan.
>>111543109
That will contain all episodes right?
Fuck paying more than $30 for 12 episodes
>>111543268
You mean $30 for 2 episodes.
>>111542615
Is the Air Force really the lazy weeaboo hive everyone's told me it is?
>>111543109
!'d be happy to upto $60 for a full 12 ep series. If it had extras and bonus material, maybe a cute show related gizmo/gadget/ or cuddly toy upto $100.
It's not like I don't have the money to burn anyway but even then I think that a reasonable price. To hell with paying $30 for 2 eps and several hundreds for a full series.
>a huge number of Manga and Anime fans, over 50% of them in U.S. and 12% in Japan, are watching or reading pirated works.
>over 50% of them in U.S.
So less than 1% true buyfags and over 49% normalfag scum buying dubs?
>>111543493
Yes, following close in 2nd is the Navy, and since Attack on Titan is a big thing right now more and more are getting into anime because of it.
>>111543575
>normalfag scum
There's no difference between watching dubs and subs except for the fact that dubfags are actually supporting the industry. Watching amateur subtitles doesn't make you any more hardcore.
>>111543493
Yes, my guess is that many weebs join the military because they either dont know what to else to do with themselves or because they want to be send to nipppon
That's not how you watch anime.
You are supposed to be in a dark place, alone, laughing to yourself but actually is dying inside.
>>111542188
> supporting meme bullshit subs
> national cinematheque
I don't live in the capital. And two out of the three films are Ghibli. I could get the dvds/blurays for those $2-
>>111543715
Well, if I can't find work with my cs degree I'm going to join the airforce. I'm politically and morally against the military, but I'd rather not be poor. I doubt I will need to though.
>>111542868
I thought the same about the German version of Yamada-kun or recent releases in general. It feels more comfortable buying the Japanese version and using English translations if necessary.
>>111543784
nah watching anime is the highlight of the day for me because I can escape reality I only die inside after its over.
>shitty low quality bait in this thread
>no replies
You know what /a/, you've really grown up.
>>111543903
its just a exception dont get your hopes to high
>>111542868
At least you got to read it at all.
>>111536789
>The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as JPY 2 trillion (approximately US$ 20 billion).
you know how I know that's bullshit?
>>111543853
That's exactly what I've been thinking of doing, minus the reservations against the military.
>Anime starts getting extremely popular globally starting in the mid 90s
>Japan makes no attempt to change their business practices to expand on that
Whatever, don't expect me to pay $25 on shipping to import a $60BD with 2 episodes on it.
>>111540248
High corp tax might have something to do with that.
>>111543677
>dubfags are actually supporting the industry.
That's funny - because generally the people who watch dubs also tend to be underaged kiddies who wouldn't be able to afford blu-rays or merch anyway. The studio makes a shitty penny from selling a license but other than that doesn't recoup much from or make much more from the franchise.
People who 'pirate' also tend to be more 'hardcore' and actually interested in buying merchandise, some even making the 'pilgrimage' to Tokyo or their favourite sites in Japan, and generally the freaky otaku types who would spend hundreds on blu-rays and merchandise are exactly those who pirate the shows when they are airing in the west.
>>111541611
>streaming
Crunchyroll is shit.
>>111536789
>rest of the world at 38%
>U.S top pirate
USA! USA!
>>111540441
I'm from Europe too and I don't give a shit because localisations are still slow and translations not better than fansubs. To be fair though, the last manga I bought was probably in 2002 or so.
![[Chyuu] Tokyo Ghoul - 05 [720p][01DF6879].mkv_snapshot_10.51_[2014.08.02_20.27.59].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0R5pXXn.jpg "[Chyuu] Tokyo Ghoul - 05 [720p][01DF6879].mkv_snapshot_10.51_[2014.08.02_20.27.59].jpg")
you know, I could stop watching anime today
I only watch anime because it's free, and there's so much of it
>downloads = lost sales
Yep. Totally.
>>111543677
Nobody gives a shit about supporting the industry.
>>>/v/ is that way.
>>111544135
>People who 'pirate' also tend to be more 'hardcore' and actually interested in buying merchandise
Plenty of dubfags buy merchandise too. Watching dubs or subs has nothing to do with one's desire to go to Japan.
You're consuming content in the same language as dubfags so thinking you're hardcore because you need some fag that doesn't even like anime anymore to translate everything for you is silly.
If you want to be hardcore then learn the fucking language.
>>111544287
You're trying a bit too hard there.
>>111544109
get out of here, republicanfag
>>111543903
I take it back, it was just a fleeting moment. Fuck you, /a/.
>>111544135
This room is so comfy, always so jealous whenever I see it.
>>111539981
A huge deal of them could be dub watchers or localized manga buyers aka normalfags.
>>111544332
>You're trying a bit too hard there.
No, I'm not trying a bit too hard there.
Take your faggot attitude back to /v/, animesuki forums or wherever you came from.
>>111544348
>Not knowing the only one who replied to the bait are from /v/.
They are stupid please ignore them.
>>111543853
CS major here as well. Plan on joining the military if I can't get a decent job 1 year after graduation.
I'd rather bet my life in war than stay poor.
>>111544332
A dubfag has an appreciation for the superior acting of Japanese voice actors opposed to the failed retards which do it in English so he's less likely to be a casual retard with shit taste who should get the fuck out and kill himself.
>>111544386
Didn't like hearing the truth, did you?
>>111542862
I'd pay £7.99 for a 13 episode season pass if I can watch the first episode for free. £13.99 for a 2 cour season if the first 3 episodes were free. All in HD with a maximum 1 day delay and available for download. Also needs to be available in every region, not just the US
The reality is there is fuck all available, most of it is shit; what there is is at least a season behind and they charge fucking $3 per HD episode.
>>111543811
Fucking provincianos, step up your game.
Also:
>two out of the three films are Ghibli
Those are the ones that are left. Last month we got at least ten other films and a shit ton of short movies.
Has the "definition" of a normalfag evolved to the point where it means "Anyone that doesn't share my exact same set of beliefs" ?
>>111544468
alrighty
>>111542407
This is fucking ridiculous. They're Japanese business men. Not every cold hearted money grubbing business men is a part of the juice conspiracy.
>>>/pol/
>>111542862
$20 for an entire season
>>111544417
>Bet my life in war.
You have a degree you go in as a officer, you'll will never see combat, enjoy paperwork.
>>111542862
>>111544479
I can only repeat: we're not /v/ here.
If you want people to suck your dick for supporting "the industry" you need to get the fuck out and try again elsewhere. Animesuki, ANN, reddit or whatever subhuman faggot place you're from.
>>111536789
How is it damaging anything when the works they'll quote as damaging aren't sold in the US?
Fictitious numbers. Just like no matter what they've done to destroy the lives of people sharing music, music sales continue to stagnate.
>>111542612
The culture of piracy is only there in the first place because they made it hard to get legitimate copies, if they went back in time circa ten-fifteen years ago and changed their business models then, then there would be /less/ piracy than there is now.
>>111544582
>we r leejun!
fucking kill yourself
>>111544553
If they're not Jews why are they acting like Jews then?
>>111536789
The people who pirate don't even have enough money for all the stuff they pirate, and even if they did they certainly wouldn't pay for most of the stuff, so putting up numbers like this is just fucking retarded.
>>111544348
I told you so, you should have listened
>>111544633
Yes, we're a secret club. And you're not invited normie.
>>111544572
>We live in a world where games are now consistently cheaper than every other media based hobby sans books
Fuck this gay earth.
>>111536789
>it can't be helped
OP confirmed for every anime character ever
>>111542862
I would pay upwards of $7-$10 per volume, and $40 per BD set.
>>111544572
>but then I'd have to make a second account to not reveal my powerlevel
>>111541819
Easily.
>>111544660
This.
People here wouldn't even buy a fraction of what they watch - even if they could afford it - which most probably can't because they're NEET/students.
>People thinking they own ordered numbers of 1s and 0s on your computer
>companies still calling it "theft"
One of these days copyright laws will be torn asunder.
I wouldn't be into anime if I had to pay for it. I like this hobby of mine because it's free.
>>111544333
I'm British and stop taxing growth you idiot, there's a reason Britain's economy is pulling ahead the the US' isn't.
>>111544633
This wouldn't even be an issue if your fags kept the secrect club initiative!
WE WERE UNDER THE JEW RADAR FOR SO LONG UNTIL YOU NORMAL FAGS FUCKED IT UP!
>>111544572
I'd use it
>>111544572
Shit idea because Steam is essentially the facebook of gaming. I don't want my sales to be tied to my account, I don't want everyone to see what I watch, I don't want American Jew companies track what I watch, when I watch it, etc. I don't want American spy agencies do the same either.
>>111544572
>one episode $0.99
No thanks.
Why cant we have localized airing with commercial brakes like they have in japan?
>>111544761
You're an uninformed idiot.
>>111544332
I'm an hardcore nihongo master who has learned over 20 kanjis and I still pirate everything.
I would support the industry if shit didn't cost almost double and it was easier to get.
>>111544752
I wouldn't watch anything any more. I'd move on to something else.
$600 for a series on BD at Japan prices makes me laugh. If it was truly mainstream like they think, it would be a fuckload cheaper.
>>111541611
>streaming
>it's all post-2000 garbage
>>111544855
>I'd move on to something else.
Like what? It's not like there is anything comparable.
>>111544636
They're acting like every business men of any race has ever acted.
>>>/pol/
>>111544833
To be fair, in a way, he is not entirely wrong.
I wouldn't say your problems are taxes, right now.
Your biggest problem right now are SJWs. You guys have one sector of the economy that is doing really well. And they are facing huge pressure from SJWs.
See the drama with google, twitter, amazon, etc
>>111544622
Wrong, see Game of Plebs: it is widely available and advertised and yet is the most pirated show. Even if Japan were to sell their anime reasonably now they would still be pirated as hell, simply because any price > $0.
>>111541611
>We're sorry this shit is not available in your region
>>111540224
Reallly, anon? Is anime mainstream now? Please tell me it's not.
>>111542862
I'm going to pirate everything no matter what. I'd only pay for a series I really enjoy, like 9/10 or 10/10 enjoy. I think something like $1/Episode would be okay at that point, maybe more if there are nice extras that come with it.
>>111544633
Not being a dick sucking moralfag is actually one of the things that the vast majority of /a/ actually agrees on. So yes, in this case
We are legion.
>>111544899
/fit/ is as gay as anime
they will welcome you with open arms
>>111544899
I'd spend more time painting miniatures in my /tg/ hobbies, or playing games again, which I've neglected for the last 5 years.
Someday I'll seriously open that copy of Valkyria Chronicles.
>>111544848
Aniplex pricing is really a joke. They are experimenting bringing Japan level pricing to the US and I hope it fails miserably.
>>111540452
>watching unlicensed streams is legal
What is the Berne Convention?
>>111544951
Its not. its more popular than ever but still very niche. i do think however that in the next 10-15 years it will go the same way the gaming industry went.
>have watched anime for years
>have never spent a single penny on it
I plan to keep it that way.
>>111544848
>almost double
Much more actually, since that Madoka BD only has 2 or 3 episodes on it and the other has a full season.
To be fair that other show is old as balls and probably DVD.
>>111544815
Just put a tinfoil hat on the computer and problem solved.
>>111544945
Social Justice Warriors? Ok, what are the SJWs doing? I'm uninformed on the issue.
I might think about buying BDs/DVDs if they weren't such a pain in the ass, but anime encodes are simply the superior product.
>>111545036
They only need a few hundred buyers to make it profitable.
>>111545111
Google for twitter diversity.
>>111539508
jpplayer
>>111545059
I've spent money on figs, and bought several cheaper series for my sister as gifts. If Japan was smart they'd stop beating people over the head for trying to watch their shit and instead have lots of nice physical merchandise people will pay for.
>>111545111
those fags who think they should be taken serious when they say they are fluidgendered transniggers
>>111544946
>widely available
Yes, if you have an HBO cable subscription.
Who watches cable these days?
>>111544994
>>111545030
Neither of that provides the romantic surrogate though. Cute girls and all that. VN/eroge might come the closest, but those aren't released in the west either, they're rarely translated and chances are - assuming Japan could actually keep people from pirating shit (which they probably can't) - then they could keep you from pirating those too.
>>111545207
So they're mad because male workers dominate an industry that very few females chose to train for? Believe it or not, companies aren't stupid enough to fold to this kind of pressure if it risks their profit margin.
And the American economy as a whole is growing at this point, trying to say that only one industry is seeing growth is uninformed, and if you compare debt numbers relative to size of economy Britain is in much worse shape.
i fucking hate when companies try to pass 1 unit pirated as 1 unit not sold, as if pirates would buy everything if they couldnt pirate it. This is completely retarded, they arent losing anything, only gaining exposure which may potentially lead to more sales.
>>111544903
During the middle ages these people had to take the back door to enter the castle and they were lucky when they weren't given a good beating before leaving.
>>111545039
>its more popular than ever
The bubble burst years ago.
>>111544946
Only because its locked behind HBO's subscription. And HBO is smart enough to see the piracy as a good thing and make enough money back on merchandising, and DVD/BD sales.
>>111544135
>not throwing away old food
>eyedrop collection sitting on one of the rigs
>tupperware sitting on table
>leaving bags on the floor
>storage bin flipped sideways
>no headphone stand
>power bar sitting on table with wires exposed
>tangled up wires sitting on shelf,
>empty picture frame sitting on desk
>using a razor mouse
>spooky-ass thomas the train eldritch abomination sitting on top of speaker
4/10 He tried
>>111545100
Are you seriously denying that these things are done? You must be out of your mind if you think so. Of course Valve harvests your data to Jew you out of your money and of course US government agencies have access to that data.
>>111545413
Its more popular than it was then, and the audience is more mature this time around.
>>111545036
It won't fail, because Western licensing companies finally realized that actually buying physical copies of anime has no meaning for anyone besides the collectors, who will pay the higher prices.
Why do you think Funimation and Sentai are shitting out premium, limited edition shit after killing themselves by playing "race to the bottom" bargain bin pricing?
>>111544694
>consumes translated media
>thinks he isn't casual
my fucking sides
>>111544946
>it is widely available and advertised and yet is the most pirated show.
It is NOT widely available. In many European countries you can't legally stream it. That's the whole reason why it's pirated to hell.
Do you think retarded normalfags would bother pirating if they could legally stream it somewhere?
>>111545518
Why are you here and not on 2chan?
>>111545030
>Someday I'll seriously open that copy of Valkyria Chronicles
You should make that day sometime soon, shit's good.
>>111545397
During the middle ages people walked barefoot through shit and killed each other by the thousands over which way you worshiped the same messiah.
Is this analogy supposed to mean anything to me?
>>111542466
yep
>>111545610
Believe it or not being on 4chan doesn't prevent me from being on other sites.
>>111545476
let's see your room
>>111542615
>navy
>have to wait 3-5 months to watch anime
life is suffering
>>111545518
Less casual than dubfags.
You're trying to construct a case where you declare only the extreme to be hardcore and anything below (i.e. the vast majority) to be casual - and through that elevating the status of dubfags from retarded niggers with shit taste to just regular casual viewers - like people who watch subs.
That doesn't work however because things aren't binary.
There's still a big difference between being a subhuman faggot like yourself who watches shitty dubs and someone who watches the original - even if he uses subtitles.
>>111545673
I don't think you know much about the middle ages.
>>111545397
Back in the middle ages everyone was piss poor and living in poverty and filth, nowadays I can walk down to the shops, buy a case of wine and poor it down the public drain without it hurting my finances all that much even when I earn well below the national average.
>>111545779
I actually do, and I'm exaggerating, but my point still stands. The middle ages aren't any sort of standard for behavior, and trying to use any time other than the present to prove a point is asinine.
When will this get localized?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU7a8a7ZKoE
We're been YEARS but we're so far behind!
>>111545397
Funny how the quality of life worldwide shot up once monarchy fell and business men started running things. Next time you do anything, be sure to thank the Jews who made it possible.
>>111545723
There's a very large gap between someone who relies on translations to consume anime vs someone who has spent thousands of hours learning Japanese to consume anime.
Subfags might be slightly less casual than dubfags simply because much more content is translated via subtitles but subfags are by no means hardcore.
Since when does /a/ care about piracy?
>>111545833
>>111545842
Economic wealth has nothing to do with moral integrity.
>>111545899
You must be retarded because Monarchs have been in charge way into the 20th century.
>>111536789
There are a lot of anime that I would never pay money to buy a Bluray of, nor would I pay money to stream, or even pay $0.99 to download a single episode of. Not to say that I wouldn't sign up for a subscription service like Crunchyroll if I had to, but they don't carry everything and probably never will. Without piracy, the truly bad anime series would never get exposure.
However, I have paid $50-100 on figures and other merchandise from bad series like this (pic related, I own one), and I guarantee you that I wouldn't have paid that money if I hadn't pirated the episodes and fallen in love with the characters in spite of the terrible anime they are stuck in.
If Japan really goes after Western fansubbing, then they will be shooting themselves in the foot. If, on the other hand, they only go after Chinese fansubbing (a futile fight if there ever was one), then they're at least pushing in the right direction, although it's wasted effort and tax money down the drain.
I buy manga because having a book I can turn the pages of is better than staring at a screen and clicking a mouse.
I don't buy anime because I'm watching it on my TV if it's pirated and I'm watching it on my TV if it's bought.
If you get the same experience either way, why would you pay for it? Hell, the experience you get from buying anime is probably worse than pirating.
Do any companies still use yellow subs?
>>111546079
We don't. Outsiders trying to destroy or glorious culture and way of life do. They've revealed themselves now that Nippon is trying to pull a Pearl Harbor on our piracy.
>>111546079
You don't think people on 4chan of all places cherish anonymity and being free from all the social media bullshit that is forced upon people in shitholes like Facebook?
>>111545331
>VN/eroge might come the closest, but those aren't released in the west either, they're rarely translated and chances are - assuming Japan could actually keep people from pirating shit (which they probably can't) - then they could keep you from pirating those too.
Perhaps it would kickstart a golden age in western VNs. VNs never really took root like other games but there is a market and demand...
Disregard >>111546243, I read "piracy" as "privacy".
>>111545509
Sure worked great with bandai with their honneamise brand and ADV / Geneon when dvds were selling for 30 bucks per 4 episodes.
I think we are still going to get our cheap box sets for the most part. Only specific titles with huge fan bases are going to get the 203948209 dollar per episode treatment.
>>111546296
the market isnt big enough though and many people think of shitty dating sims with tentacle rape when you try to explain VNs to them
>>111546166
>Economic wealth has nothing to do with moral integrity.
Moral integrity doesn't feed the hungry and cure the sick. It destroys culture and brings about the ruination of entire peoples. Its a refuge sought out by those who are too afraid to venture face first into the future. Moral integrity has very little to do with right and wrong.
>You must be retarded because Monarchs have been in charge way into the 20th century.
They also fell in the 20th century, which is shortly before the jump in QoL happened.
Why can't the fucking japs do what Hollywood does?
I mean, they create some sort of association and start distribuiting this shit worldwide?
IS REALLY THAT HARD?!
These companies needs to realise that there's a big fucking problem in trying to get people to buy every single thing that they watch. If there was some way for people to watch a series for free, like they do in Japan then people will of course take that option. Instead of hounding people to buy shit they wouldn't buy, they should work on distributing this shit themselves in a way that'll encourage people to buy releases that they like in BD/DVD form.
I just don't understand why they think it's alright to make westerners pay for shit that japs get for free.
>>111546166
>people wanting to prosper and make a better life for themselves and family by supplying people with the things they want but can't otherwise get, for just a small fee
>lack of moral integrity
>>111544724
Those are fighting words, son. Steam brought about a revolution that lessens the burden of my wallet by a lot.
>>111544135
>People who 'pirate' also tend to be more 'hardcore' and actually interested in buying merchandise
not quite. The thing about "hardcore" fans (in terms of buying stuff) is that they're actually just a small minority on the upper end of the whole audience spectrum.
In Japan itself it is basically just a group of few tenthousands otaku who subsidize a whole multimillion dollar industry (that caters specifically and exclusively to them in their content) with their obsessive spending behavior.
Same in the rest of the world, sure many people might have a few discs here, some figures there, but the number of people that really count (the freak "whales") is actually fucking tiny.
>>111546296
I don't think western VNs would be really good, simply because western values have been polluted by feminism.
If you had a western VN all the girls would have tattoos and piercings, all of them would have past relationships and none of them would be virgins, half of them would have had abortions being done on them, another half would be addicted to drugs and NTR while out partying.
>>111546431
I wasn't shitting on steam, I just think its really stupid how gaming went from an incredibly expensive hobby, and leapfrogged over everything else on the affordability scale.
>>111546314
I was about to ask you about that. Anyway this thread is weird, I've never seen /a/ try to rationalize piracy.
I though most people here simply didn't care either way and that if you really wanted to "support the industry" you'd buy fights like figs like the people in buyfag threads.
>>111546379
>Moral integrity doesn't feed the hungry and cure the sick.
Neither does degeneracy on its own.
>They also fell in the 20th century, which is shortly before the jump in QoL happened.
Which has nothing to do with a lack of monarchy.
Maybe if it wasn't so fucking expensive people would have reason to buy it
>>111546428
Usury is a sin.
>>111546460
>If you had a western VN all the girls would have tattoos and piercings, all of them would have past relationships and none of them would be virgins, half of them would have had abortions being done on them, another half would be addicted to drugs and NTR while out partying.
I'd read a VN about that. Sounds like fun.
>>111546608
why dont you just go outside and experience the real thing then?
The anime industry suffers from the exact same shit the video game industry does.
>Limited publishers
>Easier to acquire piracy than legitimate source
The best thing I've seen so far is renting HD before fan subs can get out a 1080p sub release, but that is limited to very high profile anime.
I don't like it that Funimation is one of the few companies left that releases in the US.
>>111546460
... you have never played a western VN, have you? A lot of indie stuff is decent, though the art is inferior.
>>111546507
Not that anon, but I'm not into video-gaming and I don't get how Steam can work. The costs are too insanely cheap to return profits.
>>111546642
Why on earth would I do that? That sounds horrible.
Not everybody self-inserts you know.
>>111546525
My whole point is that the idea of having to support the industry is something straight out of /v/.
If people want to buy things let them buy things, but let them do so because they want the things, not because of a false sense of responsibility - or even worse - so they can show their friends online how awesome they are for supporting the industry and virtually get their cocks sucked for it, gain cool credits and next time they get in an argument they can bring up how great they are for supporting the industry so their argument must be the right onw.
The idea that piracy is wrong is utter nonsense and faggots who think so should get the fuck out because they clearly don't belong here.
>>111546531
>trading things for mutual profit
>degeneracy
You should probably read a real economics book instead of Marx's fairy tales.
>>111546681
steam only distributes digital copies which costs as much as hosting the servers for them does
>>111546460
>I don't think western VNs would be really good, simply because western values have been polluted by feminism.
Who's saying that it won't be made by those like us for us?
Perhaps it could kickstart a community type thing (like katawa shoujo) and it would be an internal thing and distributed in private away from the eyes of normalfags who would try to taint it or impose their retarded restrictions on it.
>>111546460
I can confirm, feminism is everywhere, no women is safe, all of them carry STDs, Rape whistles, and fatherless children, don't bother coming out of your bunker, brother.
>Neither does degeneracy on its own.
Again, this is just a phrase people hide behind. It has no real meaning.
>>111546596
I agree that dishonest lending should be illegal. But trying to prove a point using religion is silly.
>>111546716
>Not everybody self-inserts you know.
Why are you bringing it up then? The discussion was about media for the purpose of being a romance surrogate.
>>111546596
>mutually beneficial trading
>ursury
Nah.
>>111537422
>>they lost money internationally from anime and manga that will never be localized.
And probably counted the losses using the inflated Japanese prices that the rest of the world's licensees wouldn't be able to charge.
Most of these "losses" are hypothetical because the majority of these people wouldn't have bought this anime and manga if they didn't have the opportunity to pirate it.
>>111546662
Please recommend a Western VN.
>>111546681
Digital copies only and new, high profile games are sold at full price. You're just get things like AAA game (say Skyrim) for 10$ after a couple of years
>>111546799
Not all VNs are like that.
>>111544815
>facebook of gaming
Not really, your real identity isn't tied to it unless you want it to be and there aren't ads out the ass.
>b-but muh privacy
Seriously, who gives a fuck. It's only numbers to the people who collect the data.
>>111546681
That's why every other online game has a hat shop nowadays. You can't get people to spend $10 on a game, but enough idiots will drop $100s on stupid cosmetics to impress their shitty friends that it all works out.
>>111546730
>My whole point is that the idea of having to support the industry is something straight out of /v/.
Well I haven't been there since 2011 but I agree. This is the kind of discussion /v/ has.
>>111546681
GOG is even better. Not even a hint of DRM but might be subject to change later with their new platform.
>>111546681
Steam gets a cut of every sale, developers get cheap and easy publishing, and advertising. No cost of production because everything is digital. It is owned by valve and started with their already famous games, eventually it snowballed to where almost every serious gamer at least has a steam account increasing the effectiveness of the model even more. They can afford to be cheap because it means exponentially more sales than if they were normally priced.
>>111546736
I'm not referring to Marx, I'm referring to Pope Innocence II.
>>111546681
Most of the games on sale are games that have been available for a while; they've made all their initial sales, most of the investment has been made back, so reducing prices prolongs sales and generates more income. They also get people spending which usually leads people into making other purchases.
>>111546931
Leave the thread while you can. It's going to get worse.
>>111546871
>>111546752
That business model makes a lot of sense. This could also work for old anime without new physical releases.
>>111546873
Again: the discussion was about media as a romance surrogate, so the VNs that aren't like that don't apply.
pretty sure if I bought every single anime and manga I read/watch in a year, it would cost more than every expensive I have combined.
>>111546296
the west would never be able to make perfect waifu simulators like Japan, because we're to infected with SJW-discourse (see the direction Games are heading), whereas Grorious Nippon simply continues to not give a fuck and unabashedly panders to ronery nerds
>>111546771
If Katawa Shoujo quality is the shit we will get I'm not interested in western VNs ever becoming a thing.
>>111547028
But you don't have to view the example you made as a romance surrogate.
>>111546921
>Not really, your real identity isn't tied to it unless you want it to be and there aren't ads out the ass.
It's all tied to your real identity somehow. Your payment data most definitely identifies you.
>Seriously, who gives a fuck. It's only numbers to the people who collect the data.
A short sighted point of view. Collection of data always poses a risk.
>>111546827
I don't really care what businessmen do until the put an injection well full of benzine into my water supply and make my sink shoot literal fire.
Business can be a real shit sometimes.
>>111546957
This is getting ridiculous, do you really expect yourself to be taken seriously when every point you make eventually falls back to religion? If you can't support your opinion using logic then don't bother trying to argue with us. In fact,
>>>/pol/
>>111536789
>Sell anime for 1 trillion JPY / episode
>2 episodes are pirated
>HELP WE'RE LOSING MONEY
I'm exaggerating a little to show my point.
>>111547096
It was all under that premise though. Look how the discussion started.
>>111546837
Cinders, Leviathan: the last day of the decade and Re: Alistair (save for that shitty, shitty art) are decent.
If you want eroges, I can't help you though.
>>111540073
Additionally, sometimes it's pacing and trying to avoid the oversaturation that happened in the last boom/bust cycle.
Possibly also opportunism. If they buy the license, but then don't spend any money translating/dubbing/producing and don't have to pay per-copy royalties, it didn't actually cost them too much.
>>111546837
Gone Home
>>111546795
Meant to also quote >>111546531
For the degeneracy bit.
>>111546957
Why didn't you refer to Proudhon instead? It'd make you more credible.
>>111547138
>anon, we recieved a notification from the US spy agency that says you downloaded loli semen storm 2, care to explain?
How's that tin foil hat?
>>111546373
The niche the cheap boxsets filled will be replaced with people who pay for streaming services like Netflix, Hulu, Crunchyroll, or Funimation. It's already happened. Physical media is on its way out for everyone but a niche group of collectors, so there's no reason not to price them so prohibitively expensive.
And the ADV crash was back when Western companies licensed everything for home video. They did this because right before the crash anime licensing was extremely profitable, but then the bubble burst. Funi and Sentai are hardly hanging on because they bargain bin mostly everything. It gave them short-term profits after the crash but there isn't much you can do to improve sales when customers balk at any increases from the absolute minimum price you can offer. The number of customers for their licensed discs declined because people stopped caring about owning physical media.
>Comparing the anime industry to the Vidya industry
Stop that.
Even if you think people should support the game industry, the situation with the anime industry isn't comparable because anime isn't readily available at a fair price.
>>>/v/
>>111542862
For a streaming website (netflix/huly/crunchyroll) I wouldn't mind paying the amount that they offer but I don't do it because I can get it for free. If they banned all illegal file sharing I would pay up what I owe as long as it is reasonable.
As for actual purchases, I would pay at least $20-$25 dollars for a full season of an anime. Maybe half of a season depending on whether it is good or not. The problem is that most anime aren't worth buying. They are worth a download, a quick watch, and then you delete them off your computer as if they were never there. I only own seven complete anime series/movies on DVD. I had more but I sold them. I would love to have LOGH or Mononoke but they will never be legally subbed and sold here.
>>111544490
This guy gets it.
>>111543507
Fuck extras and bonus material. Never understood the hardon people get for that kind of think. Would never dream of paying $60 for 12 episodes. For 100+ episodes I would consider it, but there is only one series that would be worth that to me.
>>111546662
>you have never played a western VN
ahaha, this goy.
>>111546771
>(like katawa shoujo)
it is disgusting. even the shittiest actual VN is better than this oelvn.
Dubs.
>>111536789
who the fuck watches keion with other people
>>111547399
>people stopped caring about owning physical media.
>Physical media is on its way out for everyone but a niche group of collectors, so there's no reason not to price them so prohibitively expensive.
This is just plain depressing.
Physical media now, physical media forever.
>>111546608
Then you'll love HuniePop!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcGPYxpPt6Q
>>111536789
>It can't be helped
The irony.
Nihongos actually caring about the rest of the world will further harm anime in the end.
