What the fuck did I just watch, and what the fuck is this shit? I picked this up because of all the hype on /a/, and now that its over, again i ask, what the fuck is this shit? What happened to all the things they mentioned before episode 25-26? Adam, Lilith, these moon things? 26 episodes leading up to pure garbage.
>>110794146
You're supposed to go watch End of Evangelion now, and then make this thread.
watch the movie. It's the ending they meant to do before they ran out of money
there's still the end
>>110794146
Watch EoE and then you come back here.
Oh boy wait til you watch pic related.
watch the "the end of evangelion" and then come back here you spastic shi.
>>110794503
what does time travel have to do with emo mechas?
>>110794703
I meant story wise, the movies both force you to think critically to make sense of things.
>>110794703
they are not mechas you piece of shit
>>110794146
Seriously, OP: You got this show from somewhere, right? You downloaded it, watched it online or whatever. Have you never seen that there exists an entire fucking movie called "The End of Evangelion"? Has it never occurred to you that you maybe should watch that before whining about how you didn't understand the ending?
4.0 fucking when
>>110795080
after half life 3
>>110794897
Don't be too hard on him. At one point people actually thought this was the end. Maybe he sent a message that ended up in the future?
>>110795080
after Kizu and Spice and Wolf S3
OP here. I knew there were movies about NGE, but I assumed that all anime movies based off of TV shows were either just long, fancy recaps, or non-canon bullshit. I never heard of an anime movie that actually continued a story. Gonna pick it up tonight, and hopefully, itll answer my questions
>>110795328
It does but you won't understand
>>110795328
Its not really a movie in that sense, its basically the ending the creators intended for the show but they ran out of money. It came out a bit later and sort of the second ending.
>>110794813
giant emo robots then
>>110795509
>came
>>110795591
shouldn't you be asleep by now? Its getting late and we don't want your parents to get angry do we?
>>110794146
Thanks doc.
>>110795846
what would you call them then?
"Until you like it", huh?
>>110795767
Did you ever notice the Christian symbolism in that scene?
>>110794146
Those things do not matter. Evan is about the characters and what's going on their minds. Not about fucking robots fighting aliens.
Grow up.
>>110794146
I actually enjoyed that ending, should I watch the movie?
>>110795977
Anno truly is an inspiration to us all
>>110795912
They're kind of artificially created half-gods?
>>110796057
Yeah totally
>>110796152
What about those newer versions? 2.0, 3.0 are those remakes?
>>110796057
Yes.
>>110796125
thanks
>>110794503
what does time travel have to do with artificially created emo half-gods?
>>110796290
Kind of. Ignore them for now, just watch End of Evangelion.
>>110796290
No, they are sequels.
>>110796290
They diverge a little too much to really be called straight remakes, but that's the gist. Just watch EoE and check those out later if you really want.
>>110796426
Ok thanks for the help
>>110796290
I heard that the rebuild was what Anno really wanted to do with the series but they had no where near enough money for it at the time.
>>110796544
Anno wanted Otaku to chill the fuck out and get out a bit.
Now he's just said fuck it lets milk em.
>>110796544
More like trying to milk the fanbase, stupid enough to fall for it.
>>110796672
well he has given us plenty of time between the movies to get out... then again maybe he is trying to put the fanbase in withdrawal to increase profit.
>>110795912
giant biomechanical humanoid weapons piloted by children in their early teens obviously
>people seriously asking if they should watch EoE
It's the only reason to watch Eva in the first place. EoE is hands down the greatest anime ending of all time.
>>110796290
They're sequels.
1.0 takes two years after EoE. The ending to the manga confirms it.
And the bonus chapter in the final manga volume has fucking Mari. Shits going down.
Mari is a new pilot who appears in 2.0.
>>110797927
wtf
>>110797826
This
If EoE didn't exist EVA would be fucking shit thanks to eps 25-26.
>>110797927
How is that possible? The world was destroyed
>>110797927
HOLLLLLLYYYY SHIIIIIT
When the fuck did this become news? I'm terrified for what might happen in 4.0.
>>110794146
The Anno at his best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHJJmIFcyig
>>110798063
>How is that possible?
Anything is possible in the world of Eva.
Don't even start with that shit. We all saw EoE. We've seen 3.0.
>>110798081
Why do you post this in every Eva thread, anon?
>>110798063
Its not
The first movie was a summery of the first 6 episodes, second movie introduced a new character and didnt really knew in what direction it was going to. The third movie threw everything overboard and became a proper rebuild movie, I guess it was also alright, not as bad as people are saying on 4chan.
>>110798063
Shinji rejected the instrumentality by snapping the lance. People could then come out of the LCL as they imagine themselves.
>>110797927
Oh, and we're getting a NEW preview for 4.0 on September 5, after 3.0's TV premiere.
Get fucking hyped.
>>110798158
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JciEYcHkNIg
>>110796290
That's a new nonsensial fansrvice bullshit for milking the rabid fanbase.
Basicly it's utter shit with atrocious 3d and everyone is gay.
Evangelion ended with The END of Evangelion.
>>110798275
Get fucked with that shit.
>muh rebuild nomnomnom
>>110798275
>Get fucking hyped
>>110798063
So what? You know the souls are recycled?
>>110798475
>>110798510
There's a lot to be hyped about in Rebuild.
Fuck you. Rebuild is saving anime with it's state of the art CGI, explosions, and cool music.
>>110798063
That's a clusterfuck with no intended meaning.
>1.11 has ME eva corpses
>Anno says Rebuild has nothing to do with EVA
>Manga subtly nods towards continuation
This basicly is one massive "Don't tell fans anything and they will come up with something"
They just slap bullshit and don't give you any information at all so any theory can take place.
In NGE it worked because the hiles were relatively small. In Rebuild it's on a whole new level, you have to come up with literally everything and it's lke there's no plot at all.
>>110798638
Get out.
>>110798638
>>110798786
>Anno says Rebuild has nothing to do with EVA
Quit with this bullshit. Anno never said anything on that.
>>110798844
>you don't have to watch Neon Genesis to enjoy Rebuild
Just finished this a couple of days ago (EoE I mean) and I think I good a good grasp of what's going on, but there's one thing that I think I have missed:Why was Seele attacking the HQ again? They had the same goal and were about to fulfill it weren't they? Also, why did Gendou freak out when Rei took in Adam's body? Instrumentality still happened didn't it? (Well almost)
>>110800631
This is never really explained. We know that Gendo's goal was to reunite with Yui in some way, how this differs from SEELE's plan is not clear. The execution is definitely different.
He freaked out because Rei didn't want to play along with his plan and left the decision to Shinji.
Eva was a fluke.
Anno had no idea what he was doing.
>>110800855
how did Shinji get the decision anyways? I interpreted it that way, that he essentially had the power of Adam's soul since Kawarou was dead
>>110800631Starting this shit was only the beginning, like pulling out the pin from grenade and Rei was the one who decided where to throw it.
SEELE were plannin to nake a new super being out of humanity, basicly mix stength of Adam's angels and Intellect of Lilith's humans.
Gendo planned to use this all to reunite with Yui. He wanted to sacrifice the world for waifu. That's why SEELE tried to stop him.
Instead Rei told both of sides to fuck off and went to Shinji asking for what will make HIM happy. So shinji stopped it halfway in and left people a way back to their human forms if the want.
Do you remember how The Matrix ended - It's up to you if you want sweet illusion or bitter reality, you can leaveif you want.
>>110801073
I never watched the Matrix. So in the endit's up for interpretation whether instrumentality actually succeeded or not?
>>110801165
Well SEELE's plans totally failed.
Gendo's eeeehm, kinda happened, he has met Yui again for a heart to heart talk.
The one who actually won was Ikari Yui.
>>110801295
Shinji and Asuka also "won". (kind of)
>>110801397
You could argue that everyone won.
>>110801295
I never really understood Yui's plan. Why did she want to be an immortal space-being?
>>110801461
Why don't you want to be an immortal space being?
I guess being an immortal space being is cool.
>>110801397
They get their individuality back.
>>110801461
She wanted there to be a lasting legacy long after humanity became Tang.In 4.44, it will be revealed that there are multiple 01s floating out in space.
>>110801544
>NGE x Hitchhiker's Guide fanart
Well, that's not something I ever expected to see.
>>110801457
Rei's fate struck me as tragic. She's struggling with finding an identity as a human being through the whole series but ends up as a mere vessel for Lilith's soul anyway. Where she is after EoE is impossible to say though.
>>110801457
except for Asukafags
>>110800631
>>110801073
>>110801165
You dont have to use spoiler tags for a show that's 20 fucking years old. Literally older that most people here.
>>110801837
Nobody won the Shinji in EoE, not even Kaworu. If the only thing you got from the movie was shipping then you missed the entire point of evangelion.
>>110801847
I was trying to be considerate for OP, in case he was still lurking this thread
>>110794146
Hey look, it's this thread again.
>>110801847
18 years.
>>110801911
that's my point. However, especially for Asuka shippers, the whole movie was just a huge punch in theface
Reminder than Anno is amaster.
>>110802000
It isn't GNRei if that's what you're thinking.
Well okay, it probably is Rei, but it's not the GNRei you know.
>>110795080
2015. new trailer in august.
>>110802000
>>110802000
Oi vey I heard you evafags liked Mari eh?
>>110801984
Do you think kissing and hand-holding would fit into the movie? Besides, why are you upset? If anything, Shinji and Asuka are closer than ever before after EoE.
>>110795080
Final trailer in Late August or September 5th, not even joking.
They're having a Rebuild TV marathon+special Agust 25-September 5th, every time Khara's had a Rebuild TV special, a trailer for the next movie has been packaged along with it.
>>110801984
the amount of post-eoe las stuff seems to contradict that
>>110802226
Instrumentality tore their walls down, I think that's the entire point of the "how disgusting" line, but it remains to be seen just how much they're willing to shield their emotions afterwards.
Or not, if it does turn out that Rebuild is the sequel.
>>110802226
I am not shipping them. Wasn't the studio's answer to all the demands for AsukaxShinji the first scene in the hospital?
>>110802406
Anno has said that he's not going to ever confirm either of theories.
He outright stated that you're free to think anything you want and you get no ansvers.
Old fart got too full of himself, really.
>>110802515
>>110801705
I hope they don't do something with a time loop, it just makes everything Shinji realized in the end pointless
>>110802515
That was the old Anno, I have no idea what the current Anno is trying to achieve with the Rebuilds, and now the manga. The only answer I can come up with is that he is imposing his own continuity onto the franchise that connects everything together.
>There are LASfags RIGHT NOW who still think Asuka "won"
>There are LASfags RIGHT NOW who take Retake as canon
>>110802675
No.
That's the new anno with Rebuilds.
Eoe was making sense and he was open for interviews back in 1997.
But after all that he went nuts from too much fame and too much money.
>>110802741
>who take Retake as canon
It was in a strange way funny and satisfying.
But I think you should calm down I'm sure it's notas bad as grandpa dying
>>110794146
All consciousness becomes one with Lilith, as it was at the start of history. All suffering and problematics are gone, finished, dissipated; a transcendental resolution to every plot point, idea and character pathos.You need Buddhism and Kojeve on Hegel to see this on your own.
>>110802834
addendum:
DON'T WATCH END OF EVANGELION IT'S UTTER TRASH MADE TO SPITE THE PLEBEIAN MASSES WHO COULDN'T ACCEPT THE ORIGINAL ENDING.
>>110802499
Well, no, at least not IMO. As I see it, that scene and the Komm, susser Tod scene are additional examples that show that Shinji and Asuka care about themselves much more than they care about each other, thus a relationship between them can't work.
As to how that changes after Instrumentality is up to your imagination.
>>110802675
>achieve
NOTHING
He panders his favorite characters, pushes Kawoshin, adds random nonsensial bullshit to make it look slightly like eva, convolutes it all so EVAfags could discuss it and makes money and attention.
He tries to make something by eva's recipie but with less Rei and more Kaworu and a Mari for fucks sake.
>>110802675
Rebuild is now about imposing infinite loops so that he can continue to milk the series even further with new iterations, re-establishing popularity numbers with certain characters and confirming or denying which ships are canon and not canon.
>>110795509
>its basically the ending the creators intended for the show but they ran out of money
no it's not, it's post-hoc appeasement for stupid otaku's
>>110802515
>>110802776
>he went nuts from too much fame and too much money.
Anno sold his soul to the devil, but not the rights, and he's damn milking it for all its worth.
>>110802819
>laughing at other people's grandpas dying
>2014
THIS is the current state of LASfags, truly shocking
>>110802929
>Shinji and Asuka care about themselves much more than they care about each other, thus a relationship between them can't work.
There are very few humans who care more about others than themselves.
Also his relationship with Asuka means confrontation which would be far "healthier" than stagnation.
Just my opinion.
>>110797826
No, EoE is trash.
>>110798007
No, Eps 25-26 make Eva the masterpiece it is. EoE is utter shit.
>>110802978
>hating on Mari and Kaworu
>>110802978
>>110803000
You guys are acting as if pandering and eva merchandising only began with the Rebuilds.
>>110803037
>current
Dude, LASfags and shippers in general are horrible people.
But LASfags especially.
>>110803037
You realy don't know that screencap?
>>110802978
THIS.
Nailed it.
>>110803037
that was a stab at that one reifag who said that seeing Rei Q was worse than grandpa dying
>>110803202
Hello Reiheart.
>>110803121
>laughing at poor Reiheart's misery
You asukafags truly are disgusting people.
Much like your waifu.
>>110800631
>>110800855
Lilith made humans by splitting herself, Adam made angels by splitting himself.
Lilith likely birthed Adam, as is in christian mythology but it's not ever stated in the show.
Gendo wanted to use Lilith to reach Yui, he could not do it by reuniting Adam since Yui didn't come from Adam.
Seele wanted to become one with their MP Eva's and unite with Adam to attain godhood.
People who don't understand this don't understand why Eva had the perfect ending.
>>110803202
Anyone know whatever happened to that Mexican Reifag? You know, the one who was being chased by cartels for writing a rei fan-fic?
>>110803289
>Lilith likely birthed Adam, as is in christian mythology
What?
Lilith was Adam's first wife but didn't wanted to be submissive and was banished by god.Kinda ironic how Asuka fits more into the role of Lilith and Rei into that of Eve
>>110803095
Hey Marifriend, he's not hating on the characters, he's hating on Anno.
We're all suffering negatively from this, if Anno had taken the whole thing more seriously, Mari could possibly be more featured and validated as a character so that fans wouldn't need to run mental marathons to defend the character even existed.
Anno shitting on Rei partially proves that he's only out to pander his favorite characters, rather than being professional and writing characters to be as good as possible regardless of his own fandom.
We ALL lose, only some more obviously than others.
>>110803387
Ah okay, this makes more sense. Thank you anon.
>>110803289
>Lilith birthed Adam
Nope, seed of Life and Knowledge were both sent by the FAR aliums.
They didn't split themselves either, they were both forcibly sealed or had their souls removed by humans.
>>110803406
>not realizing that Marifags are really covert Kaworufags
ISHIGGY
>>110803473
He was talking about the actual myth
>>110803501
He's wrong regardless.
>>110803289
In EVA Adam was the first one on Earth.
Then Lilith came with an Asteroid (the first Impact). Some slusterfuck happened, they had a fight or something so Adam ended up with his own lance in his chest and went to slumber.
Adam went to slumber, angels too, Lilith gave birth to humans and also went to sleep.
Then humans discovered them, started experiments, pulled the spear outta Adam and it woke him up and begun the second impact.
Lilith is not his wife nor mother, she's his "sister"
>>110803473
Lilith oozed LCL to create life on earth, it makes sense to say split herself because she can reunite with the life she created.
Adam was forcibly split into the angels by humans who likely didn't know what they were doing.
>>110803060
Asuka does not care much about Shinji's feelings. She wants someone to hold her, but she never helped him because that would mean to admit that she's not a strong independent woman who don't need no man.
Shinji wants someone to comfort him, but he never comforted her because he would need to step out of his isolation for that and that could possibly hurt him.
They had no chance before Instrumentality.
>>110803309
>Holy fucking shit I have personally talked to this man
>I know him. Heck I can contact him at any time probably. He's mostly kinda over himself...kinda
>It...kinda was. Like I said he's fairly autistic
>That he's functional enough to hold a job and survive Mexico is a wonder in of itself
>>110803609
that happens if you let gooks play with religios "symbolism"
Captcha : deep gonaoa
>eva is 19 years old
>>110803646
No, when they crashed on Earth Adam had his lance destroyed, so the Lance of Longinus was used on Adam to stop him.
Because Lilith was able to exist outside of suspended animation she created humans.
Shut up, you don't know what you're talking about. Lilith wasn't bleeding LCL until they put the spear in her after Second Impact.
>>110802978
>panders to his favorite characters
False.
In that case, Misato, Gendo and the other adults would be getting far more screen time and attention.
>pushes Kawoshin
Are you implying it wasn't always canon?
>adds random nonsensial bullshit
It's like people here weren't pre-2004 evafags so they didn't know how convoluted the lore really was until wikis and NGE 2 translations made it a cakewalk for them.
>but with less Rei and more Kaworu and a Mari for fucks sake
Rei is not be-all-end-all of Evangelion.
Mari I can understand, since she merely exists from the forced requests of a Gainax producer, but Reifags need to stop believing that their character is some god-tier special snowflake who should have the plot center around her and Shinji 24/7.
>>110801919
>>110803609
> they had a fight or something
What the fuck, they never fought.
Adam would've helped Lilith if not for his lance going into auto-defense mode and sending him into some eternal slumber.
>>110803784
>No, when they crashed on Earth Adam had his lance destroyed,
Never said anything about this. Your attempt at contradiction doesn't even make sense.
>Lilith wasn't bleeding LCL until they put the spear in her after Second Impact.
Fuck off, LCL is the primordial ooze. You don't know what you're talking about.
Never forget the lance of longitude
>>110802119
J-just because the water happened to be red due to a retcon doesn't m-make it true, right? Those other things are coincidental allusions to the original series but have no significance beyond that! A-and you can't possibly explain a completely barren world being reconstructed from scratch and nobody remembering anything that happened!
R-right?
>>110803922
When the two seeds landed, they couldn't co-exist to Adams lance seal him, since Liliths was destroyed on impact.
She lived on and made humans, she didn't split, retard.
When the Katsuragi team removed the lance from Adam, he wasn't suspended anymore and made angels, he didn't split into angels, the only thing split from him was his soul and that was put in Kaworu.
Who would have guess LCL is SIMILAR TO primiodal ooze, considering Liltih made humans, but she wasn't bleeding for eternity since she wasn't sealed until after 2nd impact.
You clearly don't know shit, fuck off.
>>110797927
Impossible, Mari has never been this pretty.
>>110803793
NGE+EOE doesn't need NGE2 lore to be one solid self sufficent stroy. NGE2 reveals what Lilith and so on are but it's not like these ansvers are really necessary.
And you're missing Reifag's point.
If tomorrow Shinji marries Q it's not what i want.
We are interested in Rei's character QUALITY, not quantity. 2.22 kinda tries but fails to deliver. We get lots of weak and boring Rei - UNSATISFYING. while 3.33 outright shits on her.
Is it too hard to understand?
We're not here for LRS, we're not here for screentime.
We want Amazing Ayanami Rei to be cool, spooky, misterious, and wonderful like she was in NGE.
Are we asking for unfair treatment?
>>110798063
Rebuild makes it clear that Evangelion is now all about Kabbalah lore and reincarnation cycles.
Rebuild itself could be the last "world" of the endless reincarnation cycles [spoilers]lol who am I kidding, Anno will continue to beat his cashcow like a dead horse until the man himself is dying.[/spoiler]
>>110804156
This isn't NGE.
>>110804235
What is it now?
>>110804281
>What is it now?
Shit
>>110804083
Are you so simply to think that anything you said was actually contradictory to what I said?
You are literally too stupid to understand the underlying point of Eva and why it's necessary to speak of it as splitting, that is all that is happening here and you continue to bring up details that I don't disagree with.
You can spout notes if you want, let me know when you want to do analysis.
>>110803793
>The request of a Gainax producer
>On the self-funded Khara
The most we can assume from Tsurumaki's comment is that it was suggested that they should add a new pilot, everything after that, from the approval of the suggestion and the entire creation of Mari is under the hands of Anno and the rest of the writers and designers.
>>110804156
If you want to see more of the Rei as you know her, the cool, spooky, misterious, then watch NGE. Anno has no obligations to yield the whims of an obsessive fanbase with the Rebuilds.
>>110804227
It's been hinted that the Rebuilds are just the start. Anno wants to make the franchise more like Gundam.
>>110804463
He became what he fought.....
>>110803793
not him but
>False.
His favorite character is Asuka according to himself, who has been pandered maximally, having being rewritten from her original self to a fantasy waifu with no flaws besides what can be said to be her tsundere personality.
Misato, Gendo are all treated relatively well. Gendo is smarter, Misato is stronger.
There is also Kaworu that he likes.
>Are you implying it wasn't always canon?
That would be what he is implying, Kawoshin in the original was something that never happened as strongly as it did in NGE. NGE had several episodes of other types of *-shin*, while in Rebuild it's been pushed up to ridiculous levels.
Going from one episode among 26 to a full 1/4th qualifies as extreme pushing.
>It's like people here weren't pre-2004 evafags so they didn't know how convoluted the lore really was until wikis and NGE 2 translations made it a cakewalk for them.
Speaking to one of them here. It was not convoluted, it was fairly straight forward with an open backstory/universe. The characters are detailed, the plot is detailed, it is not even close to the level of having a 14-year long timeskip in the middle of the series.
>Rei is not be-all-end-all of Evangelion.
I don't think he meant to say that she is, but clearly Rei has been downplayed, mistreated and abandoned.
Plus you're being just stupid about this whole thing. Rei wasn't around Shinji 24/7 in the original, or any other work. Nor is it a requirement for her character to work. You sound like a Kaworufag who doesn't understand that these characters are more than shipping pieces, and don't be like that.
You can't possibly defend shitting on Rei like this. See >>110803406
>>110803793
>but Reifags need to stop believing that their character is some god-tier special snowflake who should have the plot center around her and Shinji 24/7.
She indeed is.
Ayanami Rei > Shinji
Ayanami Rei > Evangelion
She naturally came out being better than everyone and everything else. That's why she's pretty much a special character for anime industry itsef and a cameo of Evangelion.
The only opinions worthy of true Eva fans:
>NGE is the truth and a self contained masterpiece.
>EoE is horrible filler.
>Rebuild is irrelevant pandering.
>>110804156
>random hack shit writing asspull ending where the current Rei clone gets the memories of her former iterations and remembers falling in love with Shinji
TV ending > EoE
>>110804516
Anno was always a Gundam/Ultraman fanboy. The angst and depression just helped to make him rich.
>>110804551
>His favorite character is Asuka according to himself, who has been pandered maximally, having being rewritten from her original self to a fantasy waifu with no flaws besides what can be said to be her tsundere personality.
And I hate Anno for that.
He erased everything what made her so sympathetic
>>110804407
"If you don't like it, don't watch it", is that it? Not even that guy, but that's a seriously poor argument.
You're basically enabling poor characters to exist for shallow, pandering related reasons.
>>110804575
>mfw Reifags are THIS delusional
>mfw Rei is getting BTFO in rebuilds
>>110804609
YES YES YES YES
Someone who's not retarded.
>>110804575
I'm just assuming this is bait
Do people still not understand that Rei was supposed to make you reflect on your retarded waifu ways?
Fucking hell.
>>110804715
You can have you lesbian cat-pirate if you like it. Have entire homosexual franchise.
The only merit of quality is quality of Rei.
An anime without a good Rei in it is not worth shit by definition.
>>110803793
>Rei is not be-all-end-all of Evangelion.
>Mari I can understand, since she merely exists from the forced requests of a Gainax producer, but Reifags need to stop believing that their character is some god-tier special snowflake who should have the plot center around her and Shinji 24/7.
Be objective here for a moment. Nobody is claiming that Rei is the end-all-be-all, but for a character that is supposedly not a god-tier special snowflake, Rebuild is sure spending a shitload of time on the character and plot events that relate directly to the character. Even if Rei isn't there as a character in 3.33, her lack of presence still really shapes the plot and even reactions/dialogue of the other characters. In 1.11/2.22 she's there and relevant in a present manner.
What Anon (and everyone else who's not out to simply defend 3.33) says is that Rebuild has taken Rei and spent more time writing down the character than actually developing it. So we have more time saying that Rei is lesser than the original, than we have Rebuild making new good characterization.
That is to me a huge problem, and for any other Evangelion fan who desires Evangelion to be as good as possible, also a huge problem.
So I'm guessing this is going to turn out like that Haruhi thread last night?
>>110804598
What will happen after that?
>>110804815
>It began when the director told me, "It's not that she doesn't have emotion, but that she doesn't know what it is." His technical request was that I should read my lines as flat as possible. But she's obviously not a machine; she's a human being, flesh and blood." It's a huge difference between "not having emotion" and "not knowing emotion." After all, she could develop feelings, once she learned..." Quote from Megumi Hayashibara, in her "What I learned from meeting a girl who didn't know", 1996. Translated in Neon Genesis Evangelion, volume 3
>No; Rei's beauty comes from the truth that she has feelings. When she cried, it meant the waters of the pool were coming out at last. The struggle to draw your feelings forth, the reconciliation between your surface and your death - that, I believe, is where we truly become alive, truly become human begins." Hayashibara, "What I learned from meeting a girl who didn't know." Ibid
Get back to you Asukahive with this stupid idea.
Ayanami Rei was made to be an awesome character with no second thoughts.
>>110804575
>thisisbait.jpg
>>110804805
>>110804715
It's bait.
But it's bait with a point, even if it's not intended.
Evangelion cannot be allowed to have a character take more focus than another for the sake of pandering. Every character should be developed with attention to what would make them represent themselves as good as possible, so that each and every one character can be said to adhere to a certain standard of quality.
When Rebuild intentionally shits on some characters and glorifies others, the idea that Rebuild is anything but pandering garbage has been broken.
>>110804928
I don't think anyone can top Reifags in autism.
>>110804991
Okay, you can have the back cover.
>>110804551
>His favorite character is Asuka according to himself,
>taking that "I like her because she's cute" trolling response seriously.
She does like her, but I doubt she's his favorite. There's higher chances that Misato and Kaworu are his real favorites. Asuka is definitely Tsurumaki's favorite however.
>>110804575
>posting the first image off of google images
2/10. That's the best I can give you.
>>110805107
Anon, you have nothing to say.
Anno said it. No matter how much you speculate that he was "EPIC TROLING XD", you can't deny what he said.
Anno likes cute characters. He likes characters like Asuka, his favorite Nausicaa character being Kushana, and Asuka's entire backstory is based on Kushana, almost word for word.
Tsurumaki might like Asuka too, but that's only adding to the potential bias Rebuild has in portraying it's character.
>>110804978
I'm not denying that Rei was a real and complicated character but the aspects of her persona that appeal to waifufags were exaggerated and she is intrinsically a person with no content(birthed a clone, has no idea about anything - the fact that she has the capacity for emotion is irrelevant to the fact that she doesn't emote and function like a real human being), which is what makes it so revolting that people waifu her and this was supposed to be evident but nope people like you are just stupid and disgusting.
>>110797927
>Looks a bit like Mari
>Has a disgusting long neck and DFC
She is Asuka and Mari's daughter, calling it out now.
>>110804971
The way I imagine it that would just be the denouement specific to Shinji's character and his emotional needs, not the actual ending in all of its entirety.
Fuck Anno for turning me into a shipfag, anyway. I've never shipped before and couldn't have cared less about eva shipping until I watched 2.22 and saw how much Shinji had changed at the ending.
Same posts over and over.
>>110805320
Loop theory confirmed.
>>110798223
this is true
>>110805307
And then you got swerved hard as fuck.
>>110805230
>A poor tragic character
>nice girl neck deep in misery
>great person that cares about other even when she's not good at talking to people
>so much deserving of love and care
Well, they've made a perfect waifu.
If they wanted to demonize waifuism or anything they failed miserably.
Rei neing poor and hurt only makes people want to care about her mor and gives them deep emotins about her.
Her strength impresses to the depths of hearts
Her kindness moves everyone.
Now what's bad or unlikable about her?
>>110803793
>Reifags need to stop believing that their character is some god-tier special snowflake
It's not Reifags that believe it, it's basically anime history. Rei IS a special snowflake, she became Evangelion's most popular character and not just that, one of anime's most popular characters period.
Historians credit Rei with facilitating an enormous change in the industry of anime and even merchandising, having popularized her own traits to the point where they were deliberately (and obviously) being copied into other anime.
But guess what? Anno probably hates it. Not because he's objecting to the loads of money he's getting from it or that he thinks this kind of practice is wrong, but probably because a character he doesn't particularly enjoy or feel for is at the very least twice as popular as his own self-proclaimed favorite. It's not his favorite character that becomes the poster-girl, it's Rei.
Now if Anno is even just half as petty, self-loathing and otaku as he describes himself as, he's going to hate it. YES, HE HATES IT!
That's why it's extremely suspicious that everything Rei did that was unique, cool or awesome back then is almost never touched upon again or expanded on, and there are no signs of effort as far as writing or even portraying the character goes in his new works.
When you spend more time on playing down a character you don't care for than you do developing the ones you actually like, there is a serious problem. This has officially with 3.33 crossed the border into being little more than anime otaku politics.
Regardless of what party you're voting for, we can all recognize this is absolutely terrible.
>>110805307
You're shit. Get out.
Fucking cancer of Rei's fanbase.
>>110805680
I can't believe I'm reading this same shit hundreds of times over now in these threads.
>>110805766
But I just wrote it
>>110805766
You probably are too new to remember.
Before Rebuilds and ANIMA and other shit Asuka was hardly any popular at all, while Rei was topping entire industry for years. Many today's figure manufactorers STARTED BUSINESS from making Rei figures. Many major companies have Rei as their very first figure.
Rei was not #1 EVA girl, she was #1 Anime girl for prolonged period of time. She was more popular than EVA itself.
Many seriously consider her to be the sourse of NGE's success.
And it's more than obvious to see that since then Anno and everione else were only working on making her less popular.
>>110803483
>implying
Top kek m8.
>>110805598
Nothing is wrong with Rei in of herself and that's not the argument or point so don't ask that question.
What is appealing to reifags about Rei however is the crux of this all. Reifags like Rei because she expresses no desire and she can not judge them, this is completely inhuman.
Did you not pay attention to the ep25? Instrumentality for Rei was not even psychological but metaphysical, she wanted to die in order to, because her soul is Lilith, return to herself(Lilith), this being her only motivation and the reason she trusts in and works with Gendo(he's working to bring upon third impact in a way beneficial to Lilith).
All other aspects of Rei's person are almost non-existent, simply fashioned by the gaze of other people(her relation as a tool for them). The single fact that she is biologically female without being a person is what Reifags are after, this is what is disgusting. Anno is telling you that you can't deal with real women and you're eating it up none the wiser.
If Rei's better, how come Shinji never masturbated to her while she was comatose?
Checkmate atheists.
>>110805230
Nonono. That is absolute rubbish and equivalent of you misunderstanding the entire character.
Rei functions EXACTLY like a human being exposed to life the way she has been. Take a child, deprive it of it's parents or any concept of it before it is born, neglect it and treat it like a research object, teach it that it is replaceable and prove to the child that it is true, show it that it is unable to escape it's fate and there you have it:
One human being equivalent to Rei Ayanami in her incapability of emoting or expressing herself. Google and read up on "feral children" for a quick understanding of the behavior children exhibit when put in and raised under such conditions.
Children are extremely vulnerable, and you take for granted that you were raised in something resembling a family and were guided.
The point is that Rei has every capacity of emotion, feelings and function like you do, but unlike you, she was never encultured or raised to communicate it. She gets by through learning herself, slowly but surely. Because even you without the moral guidance and love from parents, you'd be little more than a wild beast.
Then the idea that Rei has aspects that appeal to "waifufags" as a matter of intention in NGE is ridiculous, because characters like Rei were not common or even desirable before Rei made her entry. That's how Rei gets named a trope-starter, because she starts and introduces the idea that "yes, unemotive characters can be attractive and interesting too", simply by being an excellent example of one.
Feel so warm and fuzzy inside: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo5_PFiUMg0
>>110805985
I don't care, I've already read this countless times.
>>110806102
This is the scene where Asuka had lost her person hood and followed right after Shinji masturbates to her. Do you see what is happening? Asuka is a doll right now, not conscious and this is what Shinji does; absolutely pathetic.
If you can't see this as criticising otaku then seriously you have no idea what happened in EoE.
>>110806251
And what's your problem? Can't believe? Cant accept? Going to deny?
>>110806277
He was making a fucking joke you stupid faggot.
>>110806321
I don't care about your fucking wall of texts every single fucking Eva thread. It's the same shit over and over.
>>110806431
So? Do you agree or disagree? You're not above any of this, you're on a chinese cartoon image board.
>>110806084
>Reifags like Rei because she expresses no desire and she can not judge them, this is completely inhuman.
Not him but that is so obviously wrong and stupid I doubt you even thought about before you wrote it.
Rei judges people in the show, she expresses desire and goes against other's desire, all of which is perfectly human. We know this, you know this, and Reifags know this.
In fact people find it bad that Rei doesn't express herself, and get all giddy andpoka-pokawhenever she does, because that is viewed as progress.
>Did you not pay attention to the ep25?
Did you? Rei never has an instrumentality scene. She has a scene of pure self-introspection unaided by the phenomenon known as "instrumentality", hers takes place before she herself activates instrumentality.
I'm reading the rest of your post and it's very clear that you're not analyzing either the character or it's fans, as much as you're trying to make out a poisonous image of them.
First of all, Rei is a person by every definition of the word. Saying otherwise is little more than an insult to her character.
Secondly, she is not fashioned by the gaze of other people but as you yourself point out earlier, she has a complex character with several dilemmas and points where she learns and develops.
Thirdly, you have proof that you're wrong. The second Rei is reduced to a non-person like you suggest she is, Reifags nearly universally revolt in anger at the perceived destruction of their favorite.
Everything about the character, the franchise, the fans point in the exact opposite direction of what you're suggesting. How can you defend your view beyond being anything more than simple slights?
It's also alarming that you automatically assume a Reifag is fashioning himself/herself as romantically involved with a character, rather than just being a fag, or fan as it's better named. That sounds like projecting from a person who does.
>>110806084
>The single fact that she is biologically female without being a person is what Reifags are after
Are you telling me what I like her for? Really?
Rei is a calm cold-headed girl that thinks before acting. She cares about people. She likes Reading. She's a thinker, phylosofer.
She has no less personality than Asuka does, if not more.
Being always calm, distant, and thinking - is peronality.
And I don't see there anything sinful in liking that.
NGE Rei was not a fansrvice sweetie, she was a nice but harhs, cold and aloof girl.
>>110806346
see >>110806536
What you are talking about is at worst equally and normally even more applicable to other characters in the Evangelion franchise.
Applying it to Rei would only mean you're out to divert attention from something else.
>>110806563
>phylosofer
opinion discarded
>>110806488
I agree with you. I just don't fucking care anymore. This is all basically fucking 100% copypasta and you should have gotten over it already at this point, it's ridiculous. I wonder how many hundreds more Eva threads you guys are going to shit up with the exact same fucking discussion and posts every single time about this rebuild shit.
inb4 "Well anno made eva shit so it's his fault I'm going to do this shit" excuse that I've seen countless times before.
>>110802903
>implying its not a 10/10 film
>implying its not the greatest middle finger in the history of film and animation
Apply yourself faggot.
>>110806563
>phylosofer.
>>110806763
>you guys
It's literally the same faggot that's being going around in every thread that so much as mentions Rei and uses them as a personal soapbox for his "insightful" commentary.
>>110806536
>Rei is a person
>Rei didn't undergo instrumentality
Some tips:
Figure out a consistent view point.
Don't lie to yourself with simple post-hoc justification.
If you want to make a distinction between Rei the person in social space and Rei the thing that houses Lilith, that would be helpful.
>>110806563
Absolutely delusional.
>>110806800
I know this, still Eva is better without it. It's only good if you see it for what it is and treat it non-canon.
>this thread
>>110806896
He's been reverse-trolling in /cm/ too.
>>110805766
>>110806251
>>110806321
>>110806431
>>110806488
>>110806763
What seems to be the problem here?
You say you see the same discussion and points being made, points that you can't argue against since they're documented historical facts, and yet you still take up a contrary position?
Why are you even bothering? Haven't you ever considered that the reason you keep seeing these same things brought up in discussion, is because you actually facilitate the need for them to being brought up?
If you're going to pretend history didn't happen, you asked for this.
>>110805575
>kill her off
>character development she had is now pointless as fuck
I'm mad, yeah. I feel like I've been given Urobutcher-style treatment.
The ending of 2.22 was fucking beautiful because of how poignantly it was able to tie up a lot of character development. It illustrated how Shinji lost his cowardice, went from hating interpersonal relationships to trying to reach out to Rei, and finally did something for a purpose from his own self-agency as opposed to being ordered to do so, like a person coming out of depression. The Shinji at the end of 2.22 is the Shinji at the end of the original series, because they've made the same important self-realizations and are both self-actualized.
Meanwhile Rei was the closest to being like a real human she ever was in that series up to that point. You could argue she allowed Shinji to bypass her AT field. Wanting to be saved distinguishes you from being a mindless clone or tool, because that means you acknowledge you have worth as a human being. Compare the now-meaningful emotional-physical contact she has with Shinji in that scene from the physical contact they have when Shinji pulls a harem-MC titgrab on her. It's a book-ends type deal illustrating how they've both changed.
And then Anno shits on everything by killing off Rei and having all of the side characters that aren't Kaworu take a shit on Shinji. Thanks, Anno.
>>110805985
>And it's more than obvious to see that since then Anno and everione else were only working on making her less popular.
Explain?
>>110806084
Nowhere in any fucking interview has he ever stated the equivalent or likewise. The that Anno was intentionally
>reifags btfo :^)
doesn't hold a lot of water when you consider that so much effort was put into gradually giving Rei humanity. If he'd really wanted to take a dump on Rei's fandom he'd satirize her in some other way, not put a shitload of effort into making her sympathizable and her struggle poignant.
>>110807036
That discussion is over. Your post is redundant.
>>110807020
I'm trolling.
>>110807036
You're an obsessed obnoxious spammy retard.
>>110807036
Seriously, seek help.
>>110807065
Rei is still a character in his show, he seeks to develop her into a person but it never comes to fruition and when they reveal she's a clone and completely destroy her that is:
>. If he'd really wanted to take a dump on Rei's fandom he'd satirize her in some other way
Just stop being so delusional reifags.
>>110807065
>I'm mad, yeah.
Get over it. It's been over a year.
>20 years later, people still don't know what the fuck was going on
>>110807083
>>110807138
>>110807154
What the actual fuck? I'm not even this other guy, and here you are acting like a bunch of retards.
I asked, what is the problem here?
>>110807222
The condom broke.
![[Bloat]_Neon_Genesis_Evangelion_-_25_[3939816C].mkv_snapshot_09.52_[2014.07.22_04.12.48].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kTTzocM.jpg "[Bloat]_Neon_Genesis_Evangelion_-_25_[3939816C].mkv_snapshot_09.52_[2014.07.22_04.12.48].jpg")
>>110806944
There's nothing inconsistent about my post.
In episode 25 that you referred to, Rei begins her introspective scenes at the 7min mark. In these scenes, we detail Rei's characters and her worries, as well as her resolution.
After that, instrumentality begins right before the 10minute mark.
This means that Rei's introspective scenes were before and thus outside instrumentality. From this point on, like in EoE, Rei takes on the guiding hand role.
>>110807238
Dude just shut up, why would you continue to post about people who won't stop posting about something? Once is more than enough.
>>110807065
>Explain?
She gets nothing COOL.
Her EVA got repainted ugly, she handed over her spear to Asuka (spear used to belong to Rei). She gets no cool or star moments.
NGE Rei was showing them all the way in Blackout episode, was showing Asuka how to dance, Rei was telling Asuka off when Shinji sunk into shadow and had interesting dialogues, was giving comments from time to time.
They thoroughly removed everything from her.
>>110807238
Congratulations Anon. You have beat Komeiji for the King of autism award.
>>110807238
You're doing the same "Oh you don't like it? What's the matter, can't prove me wrong?" bullshit. Nobody cares either way anymore, just shut up about it already.
>>110807288
>>110807325
>>110807358
This: >>110807036
is my FIRST post talking about why he won't reply ITT.
Now care to tell me what the actual problem is?
>>110807358
Oh no that was me, I have no idea what the guy you're replying to is doing. Wish he'd stop though.
>>110807405
Yuki > Shit > Rei
Never liked Evangelion I think it's stupid. Nothing is clearly explained. Maybe it's popular because it makes people think. Most of them do not completely understand what the fuck was going on. So they speculate, attach meanings to every fucking scene while the makers didn't intend to make it that deep philosophically. To me, at least, it's just a bunch of meaningless actions and drama.
>>110807434
Indeed
>>110807185
>Rei is still a character in his show, he seeks to develop her into a person but it never comes to fruition and when they reveal she's a clone and completely destroy her that is:
Yeah but here's the mistake, Rei is a person from the very first episode, and she gets developed into fruition.
Revealing she is a clone doesn't destroy what Rei is, it's a pretty important part of her characterization.
In 3.33 he's not trying. Wish you'd see that instead of prolonging an unwinnable argument on your part.
>>110807425
I'm >>110807036
and I'm confused. What am I missing? Suddenly you went from a normal discussion to just throwing your hands in the air, and that's it?
>>110807471
This is an acceptable opinion but no matter what you think about it Eva is obviously trying to be more than that.
Anno wants to create thoughtful anime, he hates stupid stuff. >>110804749
Still though I think it's heavily philosophical like not many visual media is, anime or not.
>>110807633
The conversation was resolved.
Will anything ever have much as an effect on anime as Eva did? I know Madoka sure as hell won't.
>>110807529
I don't consider Rebuild part of this. Even EoE might as well be filler as far as I'm concerned.
>>110807318
It's not good to have that high expectations, but Rei is exceptionally low compared to the original.
>>110807656
>Anno wants to create thoughtful anime, he hates stupid stuff.
That doesn't explain his unquenchable thirst for stupid stuff though. Everything from Ultraman to Strike Witches are things that he's fan of, arguably "stupid stuff" that airs on the TV.
>>110807703
By you throwing your hands up in the air like you just don't care.
>>110807206
I only got it out of my backlog a few weeks ago.
>>110807185
>stop being so delusional reifags
Not my waifu, but my favorite character after Shinji. Their relationship is fascinating.
As for your other point, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Yes, she does get a bad end, but it could also be seen as tragic because of her characterization, not in spite of it. >>110807529
does a decent job of explaining it too.
>>110807318
True enough, but they did have to cut some stuff after all I suppose. And the way 2.22 ended was enough consolation for me.
>>110807704
Nothing has ever made that much impact except the double-screening of Totoro and Fireflies.
>>110807471
Most things in Eva are clearly explained through the dialogue. In fact, for some reason, some of the parts which gets the most people angry over how "confusing" they are, are the most straightforward ones in how they outright explain things in plain words. Maybe you should rewatch it.
>>110807757
I'm not >>110807065
but unless I misunderstood what you two were saying, you can't ignore Rebuild.
Even if we just limit ourself to the original and forget EoE as "filler", Rei and Shinji are the only two characters that come to fruition by the end of the anime.
Shinji goes through his breakdown and complementation and finds the resolution to improve on himself and love himself.
Rei goes through her development as Rei III and reconsiders the situation, gives us an answer to her existentialist crisis but not without finding the problems, and activates instrumentality so Shinji can be complemented.
What might you be talking about?
>>110807998
Yeah this I don't understand about the fanbase. Episodes 25 and 26 are down right didactic, you're basically given a lecture on what the show is about.
Whether you can accept it or not is what separates true fans from the rabble imo.
What is the Evangelion of Literature?
>>110808109
Ulysses obviously.
>>110808109the bible
>>110808109
1984.
>>110808109
ANIMA
>>110808135
Too hard to read.
>>110808135
Yup.
>>110808135
>>110808109
>both include the MC masturbating
guys guys I've figured out the key to creating masterpiece works of art
