Why haven't they made a good war anime without all the obnoxious mecha shit.
tanks are mecha
why have war when you can have war with robots
even IRL agrees
>>110670434
Watch videos from Ukraine.
>>110670434
Because Japs cannot into modern war, they have to use their imaginations too much.
>>110670434
I've wondered about this for a while. So many mecha shows feature civil war and the effects it has on people. There's great drama there but it always has to feature fucking giant robots. Is this just to sell merchandise?
There is a good war anime. It's called Grave of the Fireflies. It doesn't have any fighting at all.
>>110670892
I'd watch an anime on the current crisis in Ukraine. Cute Russian girls doing Russian things.
>>110670434
Jormungand was ok and it had modern weaponry, but it's not really a war anime.
>>110671075
Yes, but also why use animation for boring old war, when you could use live action?
The audience of anime aren't into that part of war movies anyway.
>>110670855
if we had mecha, i'd give up on everything and join the army to pilot one.
>>110671075
>mecha
>drama
The only thing I an think of is Code Geass, thats it.
The rest is robot wankery.
>>110671202
I want war in my anime.
Something thats BIG and WORLD WIDE, Code geass kinda did it alright, but ended up with robot wankery at s2
>>110670434
because it would be boring as fuck
>>110671416
You need to watch more anime before posting.
>>110671416
You sound like you have a low powerlevel.
>>110670855
I want an anime about cute drones doing cute things.
>>110670434
shitty rec thread
>>110671466
I'd watch that
>>110671433
Are u a retard, people shooting each other to death is boring now?
>>110671210
>cute girls doing cute things
then it wouldn't be a good war anime retard
Sadly no
>tfw I will never get my Band of Brothers/Saving Private Ryan type anime.
>>110671416
How many anime have you seen?
>>110671210
Sadly the only series I got is a manga about a slavic cute girl Solid Snakethough the end is shitty.
>>110671210
>Yuri-chan there's a dot on the oscilloscope, doushio~?
>wah, I jammed the height finder again
>Don't turn on the missile battery yet you baka they'll overheat before we get a firing solution!
>BAKA BAKA you shot down a civilian plane
>>110671718
a shit load of harems and ecchis
now i want real entertainment
>>110671652
reread the post retard.
>>110671387
you can play Steel battalion while waiting for it to happen.
Considering this is the closest we are from mecha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iZ0WuNvHr8
>>110671416
What mecha doesn't have drama?
>>110671820
>>110670434
Because Japan cannot grasp how cool tanks and jets are
>>110671701
Uh,no
I want modern war, not outdated animated rehashes, and besides anime make spr any better
>>110671869
Because mecha don't have feelings.
>>110671869
What mecha's have drama?
that arent shit
>>110671932
Giant robots > jets > tanks
>>110671945
anime WOULDNT
>>110672010
Assuming you actually like mecha, then the usual classic ones. Character drama is a backbone of the genre.
>>110671945
I would like that as well if done right. I just don't get why Japan hasn't done it yet, so much potential.
>>110672011
Factually incorrect
>>110672010
perfect setup
Some episodes
>>110672010
utawarerumono
>>110671869
Super robo mecha
Ace Combat anime when?
>>110672183
No, that's not true at all.
>>110672183
Oh please. Gaiking had drama like a soap opera.
>>110672147
I know it wasn't meant to be, but that show could of done so much more. Just thinking of the possibility's makes me sad.
>>110672317
Prequel never ;_;
>>110672011
giant robots are boring, just big metal humans
Japan cannot into tanks.
>>110672011
What are you, gay?
Jets > Tanks > Orbital Space Cannons > Mechs
>>110672455
Orbital Space Cannons > *
nothing is better than OSCs
>>110672419
>>110672437
I'm sorry you just have shit taste.
If we could, every war would have mechs in it.
Mechs are pussies
Warthog was here.
>>110672576
Only if they weren't made obsolete by a Taliban with a RPG and were actually mobile.
>>110672609
Enjoy your outdated piece of crap.
>>110672609
Warthogs are shit. Any fighter jet can carry mavericks and guided bombs fine, but do it much better and safer. Don't even go on about costs because the 30mm it fires is ridiculously expensive.
>>110672011
Get on my level.
Giant robot Jets >Giant robots > jets > tanks
>>110672609
Implying
>>110672147
Do spider tanks count as mecha?
>>110672522
please, we all know that tracks are more superior than metal pipes
>>110672051
For a second I thought that was Swat Kats.
>>110672781
>tank
>mecha
>>110672189
You mean Yukikaze?
>>110672811
I suggest you look up what Mecha actually means.
>>110672511
Itano Circus > Orbital Space Cannons
Enjoy your pretty lights, I'll be hanging at my missiles.
>>110670434
Catshit One was pretty good.
>>110672781
Yes.
>>110672741
It's not about efficiency or cost, it's about raping the ground.
>>110670434
>>110672811
>posting inferior russian technology
>>110672609
Enjoy your laser classes
>>110672841
By that logic, tanks and jets are mecha
>>110671868
Doesn't that shit cost a few hundred dollars though? New copies aren't even made I don't think.
>>110670434
enjoy motherfucker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wncS6tO59M
>>110670434
But they did, try FLAG, Barefoot Gen, short peace, to name a few
>>110672849
you actually think im going to watch this
>>110672878
>It's about being retarded
Okay, enjoy being killed by spamming cheap manpads because you don't even have afterburners then after you do your useless gun run.
>>110672941
GERMAN SHTEEL
>>110673017
It's pretty operator just with bunnies.
>>110670434
There's that weird Korean chap who draws these.
>>110671820
hhhehehehehe
>>110672976
>Tanks are Mecha
Yes they are or do I need to remind you of that Half Mecha tank or Guntanks.
>>110672999
>a-s
Please don't make the same mistake I did. Delete that abomination from your computer and download the EG version of that. It's far, far better. A-S didn't even crop it right.
>>110672993
sorry about that, starts at 1:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9wncS6tO59M#t=80
>>110672958
Enjoy a fictional monster that defies physics because you need to justify muh mecha?
Yeah no
>>110673046
You don't use air support against anything that might have AA you silly man.
>>110673074
>chap
It's a grill.
>>110671820
Slava
>>110671828
Everyone, please take a look at this.
>>110673065
If germany won the war...
>>110673106
For the sake of argument instead of being a technicality dumb bitch, we'll go with mecha that have arms and legs
>>110673129
>What is SEAD?
Answer: something A-10s can't do.
>>110673156
Not sure that makes it better or worse
>>110673199
We'd have oversized useless war machines?
A single plane could take those things out.
>>110673017
The manga is much better.
>>110673200
No, you aren't allowed to change the meanings of words to suit your arbitrary feelings. Mecha is anything mechanical. Fucking deal with it.
>>110672776
god muv luv was shit
>>110673264
Be right back guys, going to take my mecha down to the shop
No, fuck off you cheeky cunt
>>110673215
Might as well use artillery, the A-10 can't fill all roles we know that but it's still useful.
And I'm sorry it raped your mother so hard you sperg out every time it's mentioned.
>>110673314
Yes, cars are mecha too.
>>110673260
its a moving fortress, its going to be heavily defended
a land carrier
>>110673017
You have no fucking idea. It's badass. The problem isn't bunnies, the problem is 1 episode.
>>110670434
Well even if they did they'd throw in cute girls for the sell factor.
>>110673264
Oh god you must be an idiot
Gundams are mecha.
Zakus are mecha, too.
Tanks are not mecha. Neither are planes.
Or cars. Or anything else that is not a bipedal machine.
>>110670434
I want a show where mechs get rekt like they would in real life
>Infantry in cities firing Erynx and CG's into ammo storage
>Tanks firing a single round into the legs, then catching the head with another 120mm blast as it goes down
>Infantry running into buildings as IFV's fire ATGW's into mech's hulls
>F/A-18F firing Mavericks into a mech from 20km away
Like the opening of Patlabor 2, but longer
>>110673374
It's good I'll give you that, but I don't think it's what op had in mind when he asked for anime.
You /k/ faggots always bitch that there are no realistic war anime but the second an anime tries to depict modern warfare, you always go autismally apeshit about some minuscule detail about guns or tanks or whatnot. I don't like realism in my chinese cartoons, it works much better that way, if you want realism, just watch TV shows.
>>110673260
Actually the allies just used a single commando and thermite to take out superguns.
>>110673327
>Artillery
>30km range, maybe 50km if you use rocket boosted projectiles
>F-16 Falcon with HARMs
>425 nautical miles strike radius with ~70nm attack range
>>110673400
>In Japanese, mecha encompasses all mechanical objects, including cars, guns, computers, and other devices.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecha#Characteristics
You're retarded.
>>110673466
what are you talking about, not once have I seen modern warfare in anime, besides modern weapons
>>110673441
So what you're saying is you want a series that has mecha around with no real justification for the mecha besides being pincushions. And you don't find this to be utterly retarded.
>>110673327
>Arty
>Being useful in SEAD
Yeah, because artillery can locate AA based on the radar output, lock on to it, and fire a missile from 150km away
>>110673199
Hitler went little overboard with this overcompensation thing.
>>110673466
>TV shows
>realism
Nobody in the industry knows anything about how physics, the military or anything computer related works, ever. Even if they do they often don't care. That's why they're making tv/films after all.
>>110673441
That's why most anime gives mechs incredible mobility.
>>110670434
You can't make a series about war when your country lost the biggest war in the history.
>>110673585
Yes.
Trigger warning do not click.
>>110673466
What anime has tried to depict modern warfare? Not being sarcastic I just want to know, must of missed it.
>>110673364
All you need is a single 500kg on that thing and its gone, not that hard to pull off
And don't forget, that thing is incapable of transversing bridges, rivers, and most roads
>>110673651
Most anime give mechs shit tier mobility that doesn't improve until MC gets a prototype (unless they start off with one, in which case it's just grunts who have to deal with not being able to turn on a dime).
>>110673572
Yeah, maybe not all out warfare, but even in the small skirmishes here and there (heck even in fucking AIRSOFT shows), you guys always whine about small details. /k/ is the most autismal board on 4chan, hands down, it is impossible to please you guys.
>>110670434
Back in the early '90's, there was a short OVA called Future War 198X which was pretty good, even if it was nothing but combat scenes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wskhs2YMZJk
It's also literally the only media I've ever seen that shows off Hellfires firing from 2+ kilometers out, actual ATGMs, etc.
>>110673668
Tell that to Germany.
>>110673699
The last good airplane that the USA made.
>>110673441
If they made mechas shit, then the figures wouldn't sell, ruining the point of putting them in there in the first place
>>110670434
>mecha
>obnoxious
Get out.
>>110673867
>flying aircraft carrier
now THAT'S silly
>>110673907
It works in space.
>>110673441
Sounds like you want Battletech: The anime
>>110673944
That doesn't look like space to me though.
>>110673699
>Artillery has a max range of 30km at best
>Can't identify launchers, has to use outside recce
>Can't fire more than a few times without moving to avoid counterbattery
>Better than SEAD
>>110673907
Dont hate
I'd love to see a mecha show in which the mechs are not huge and are more like District 9 size mech.
>>110674015
Woah there, flying aircraft carriers are cool as shit
just very, very sillymuch like mecha
>>110673845
the super hornet would like a word with you
>>110673990
/v/ pls go your trigger hatred is showing.
>>110674039Agreed
>>110670434
Watch a show called 'Now and Then, Here and There'.
and be prepared to hate yourself
>>110674077
I love the Thunderbolt II, it's just a product of its time- that time being the late 1970's. It worked and it worked well in the 1980's when everyone had a strategy which revolved around Heavy Fighters, Light Multiroles, and Ground Attack aircraft. But with the paradigm shifting towards multiroles, it's becoming out of date, and quickly. If you could spend the maintenance to keep a 'Hog and a Hornet running, or just two Hornets, which would you prefer to pay the bill for?
>>110674068
uhhh...
>>110674208
Hog and Hornet because hogs are badass
I can see /a/ and /k/ are getting along well
>>110674245
>ellipses
tfw there will never be an anime about a group of males, and females that go through the trial of becoming soldiers.
>Start out in basic and form strong bonds
>All fun and games for a bit
>War starts get Deployed
>Suffering starts
>Come back trying to adjust to civilian life
>Dealing with the friends they lost, or injuries they suffered.
>>110674245
but the F-22 is sooooooo expensive
we still mainly use the F-18
>>110674359
>sooooooo
Get the fuck out. You're wrong anyway.
>>110674039
Flying aircraft carriers belong back to the past where it and other silly ideas were allowed to flow freely.
>>110674347
How would you make it kawaii?
>>110674400
Just cause the idea is old and silly doesn't mean it don't look cool.
>>110674347
that be cool
>>110674383
>you're wrong anyway
the F-22 costs 150m flyaway
the F-18 costs 60.9m flyaway
thats a load more money
>>110673895
>>110674504
Easy, just make the girls cuteand the boys
>>110674504
It had females, plus a fun and game episode. That's it.
>>110674307
Of course.
/a/nons need weapons to protect their waifu and /k/ommandos need cute things to help themselves operate properly and stay pure.
>>110673826
How fucking boring was that? There's no human element at all. You spend three minutes watching various bits of military hardware destroy each other. If nothing else, the cinematography was atrocious.
An autist's vision of a perfect war anime.
>>110674539
I wasn't comparing the raptor with the bug. The bug is needing retirement soon anyway. If they kept producing F-22s it would've become cheaper because economies of scale.
>>110674539
buuut its worth it
>stealth
>internal weapons bay
>thrust vectoring
>the best supercruise
>>110674504
>WWIII, 1983
>Japan is defending against a Russian invasion from Vladovistock
>They're forced to conscript women as well to supplement the ranks
>Main characters are in an all-female mechanized infantry battalion
>Show starts off in training and waiting to be deployed, it's basically cute girls with cute military stuff
>Halfway through they assemble for an offensive
>Show suddenly turns dark as the girls start to die
>IFV crew dies to a BMP-1's Malyutka
>FN MAG gunner gets shot in the neck
>Lt. is caught in a 500kg's explosion
>Everyone is replaced throughout the show
>Eventually only the MC is left of the original group
>Show ends as they're relieved by fresh recruits
>>110674604
Is that a Famas?!wait
>>110674649
It's only 30 minutes of a movie, but yeah, it basically mostly plays out like that. It's not good from a storytelling or emotional standpoint, but that's what both sides predicted a charge through the Fulda Gap would look like.
>>110672878
>raping
A-10 gun is an absolute inaccurate shit.
Sure, you can strafe unarmed sandniggers and then get rekt when your homevideo surfaces on wikileaks, but anybody organized would rape your shit.
>>110674735
thatd be fucked up, but there needs to be something more, something that the characters can do to change something
I know this is a clandestine req thread, but god damnit.
ZIPANG YOU DOUBLE NIGGERS
>>110674666
And we make Mobius 1 proud
>>110674735
Stop anon your making me sad knowing that will never happen..
>>110674849
But that's the beauty of it anon they can't really change anything. All they can do is hope there side wins, and they live.
>>110674831
Even the actual pilots of the A-10 released that, look at the coloring book
>>110672051
lol'ing at the fact that the animators dont realize that most AA missiles have proximity detonators, and dont actually need to hit the plane
>>110674666
>thrust vectoring
Macross Zero-style? Can it turn on a dime?
>>110674735
I can get behind that.
Will they have to execute slavs in the field?
>>110674666
>mmuh shit stealth
>mmuh one-plane vectoring
>mmuh supercruise that noone needs
>mmuh internal bays for two bombs
Laughable, especially if you understand that this flying bank will never fight anything and its real goal was to squander taxpayers` money.
Good fucking job Lockheed, Ben and Kelly are rotating like a good drill in their graves.
Was FLAG any good?
>>110674307
Yes, it goes well together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_6LvKWy5vo&feature=youtu.be
>>110675055
>execute slavs
Eternal european wetdream, never to be realized.
And then slavs come and rape everyone, the end.
>>110675068
no bully
>>110673572
People still make and buy novelty choppers?
What about cute mercenaries doing cute things?
>>110675041
i dont know, is this good enough?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuD8KXPD3HI
>>110675254
Yes, apparently this financial crisis wasn't strong enough to kill them.
>>110675192
It`s not like other 5gen fare any better, to be honest. T-50 is in preliminaries, and China went off to do something closer to a bomber.
>>110675258
Sure, if you like characters being constantly killed in firefights, treated like disposable shit by their employer and then summarily executed or otherwise wiped off when series comes to an end.
>>110674849
Why? This is a war. They're one 30-man platoon in an army 230,000, fighting an army of 320,000, not including conscripts on a periphery front in a World War. What could they change?
>>110675279
No, sadly. It can't turn on a dime, and therefor does not own the sky.
>>110674539
And when 2 F-22s can kill 12 F/A-18s, you do the math...
>>110675055
Where's this scene from?
>>110675068
supercruise is needed so it can go fast without getting tracked by heat seeking missiles
It can hold up to 8 250kg jdams
>>110675406
well its the best ur gonna get for now
>>110675510
Unsere Mutter, Unsere Vater. It's actually very different than that clip would imply, it's brutal and damns pretty much everyone involved with the war except the average men fighting it.
>>110675512
Silly anon, This isn't the 1970s. You don't need an open flame for IR missiles to track and everyone has all aspect heat seekers now.
>>110675504
>2 F-22s can kill 12 F/A-18s
kek
>>110675512
JDAM turns into a dumbbomb the moment your adversary turns on his ECM. Good luck against AA, flyboi.
>>110675504
>mmuh marketing bullshit
So it's suddenly cool to hate Mecha now?
>>110675660
>Nips will always fuck up weaponry in anime
Maybe some day they will make something nice.
>>110675695
u r 2 s2pid 2 talk 2
>>110675388
I'm fine with that
>>110671416
>robot wankery
not 0080
>>110675768
Spacy is the dumbest "word" ever.
Who even came up with that?
>>110675510
What that guy said
>>110675571
>>110675392
well this isnt like any other day at war, this is a story, and dont you want to make something bigger out of it?
It could be not just a regular kid in war, maybe a genius that has witnessed war and wants to make a change
>>110675731
There's a difference between hating mecha, and being rational enough to realize its also dumb as fuck
>>110675863
The fucks a genius going to do inside an APC
>tfw no anime about cute girls at a late 18th/early 19th century Military Academy
>tfw no Cavalry-chan who's always fired up and gung-ho, even if she isn't the smartest girl around
>tfw no Artillery-chan who's quiet and shy, but smart and more than able to do her fair share
>tfw no Infantry-chan, the Queen of Battle, a beauty who does her best at all she does
my life is suffering
>>110675887
Are they okay?
>>110675833
Did he seriously run out on 3 ppsh in 20 meters here? It`s straight call of dooty level bullshit, instant disqualification from living.
>>110675887
This video is horrifying. I knwo they all ended up allright, but still.
>>110675887
i guess its better that they are all wearing parachutes already
>>110675887
I just love that last bit with the guy desperately trying to cling onto the pole.
>>110673363
So when I get into my car, I'm a mecha pilot?
>>110675863
>maybe a genius that has witnessed war and wants to make a change
That just sounds incredibly dull and boring. What's a more effective story, watching young girls get shown the horrors of war, or watching some supposed supergenius rant to us about the evils of war?
>>110676003
Slavs can't mentally handle a ubermensch charging them
>>110675991
Yes.
>>110675863
Then it turns into another mecha type story were the mc is special. The point of making something like this, is it isn't the same old bullshit. Hence good war anime.
>>110676039
Yes, according to people like him we are all mecha pilots. Right now as we use our computers we are mecha pilots
>>110675977
Gunka no Balzer has that setting, although it only has one cute girl.
>>110676062
Maybe they were dreaming about raping some austrian village.
>>110675977
>>110676017
What I wouldn't give for a long-running manga or anime set in an early-mid 19th century world where two equally-matched nations are at war and, for one reason or another, all the fighting has to be done by teenaged girls. Of course, there would be futile charges, gory deaths, amputations, and general hardship galore. And as the war drags on and most of the older girls are killed or wounded, the new recruits would get younger and younger.
>>110676039
Yes, it's not as cool.
>>110676109
Sorry for using words properly.
>>110675887
This. I like mecha but I hate when people say mecha are realistic.
>>110676017
What is this, a scotsman for ants?
>>110676130
>futile charges
Okay, so britbongs agains who?
>>110676130
And the pages between chapters would contain the sort of info historifags love: weapon data, uniforms, flags, more detailed info on tactics and training, and updates on how things are going on the home front
>>110676130
So it's Sharpe's Rifles with cute girls?
>>110676117
She's all I need really.
Would you watch a show about cute train-girls sent to run the Thailand-Burma death railway?
>>110675887
I don't understand the connection between your post and your webm
>>110676130
And the pages between chapters would contain the sort of info historifags love: weapon data, uniforms, flags, more detailed info on tactics and training, and updates on how things are going on the home front.
>>110676171
Better
>>110676055
Supergenius, presuming that he is shown as a powerless and naive lunatic that is fighting a doomed battle against the human nature, Bonus points if he either dies inglorious death or gets disillusioned.
>>110676123
Nah, they were just braindead from so much vodka.
>>110676185
I would love to see a bunch of young girls absolutely scarred shitless being ordered into a full charge against emplaced artillery. Knowing that they will die, but being unable to ignore their orders out of a mix of fear, pride, and resignation to their own deaths.
>>110671701
pumpkin scissors wants to say hi
>>110676055
>>110676093
NO, how about a kid with great battle skills and is victorious in each one, gains ranks, and becomes a commander, finishing the war
>>110676300
You have no idea how much vodka would be required for such a feat.
>>110676172
>Britbongs
>Futile charge
>earl-mid 19C
It would have to be Russia then, baring the Light Brigade most of their charges in that period were actually pretty effective. Unless you count a few fortress stormings as charges (Badajoz I'm looking at you).
>tfw no thin red line of adorable British standing firm against wave after wave of delicious brown Zulu girls, all while they sing LADIES OF HARLECH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRtnWVvDX6k
>>110676298
Again, that sounds dull as all hell. You're telling the story of World War fucking 3, go and tell that story. Don't tell the story of some asshole who thinks he's better than everyone else.
>>110676389
>muh special snowflake
global rule 2
>>110676440
>confusing gary/mary stu with "special snowflake"
kill yourself you fucking retard
>>110676185
>All the characters are replaced by cute girls
>Except for Sharpe, who is still the gruff, handsome officer who leads his ladies through hell and back
>And he's voiced by Sean Bean
Makes me sad because... I know it'll never happen...
>>110676389
>a kid
>great battle skills
>victorious in each one
>gains ranks
>becomes a commander
>finishing the war
Anon, I thought we were talking about semi-realism here, not horrible wish fulfillment?
>>110676483
what
>>110676309
I'd love to see a few regiments holed up in a fort and subjected to a months-long siege, accompanied by constant artillery bombardment, frequent infantry attacks by the other side, and occasional sorties by the defenders. The defenders would slowly be whittled down by disease and hunger, as well.
COIN anime when?
>>110676403
Crimean war would be interesting.
Plenty of courage, valor and respect on all sides, modern journalism is born, fuck, I`d watch it!
>>110674347
>there will never be an anime where the MC builds up his own mercenary business
>A cool, collected man whose only major difference from his troops is that he owns them
>things would be looking up when they start getting more and more contracts
>things will never turn south when a rival company/government they oppose wrecks their base
>MC will never be heavily scarred, sporting an eyepatch after the time skip
>he will never go from a nice everyman to unspeakable monster after it
>he will never ally himself with a foreign warlord
>he will never turn his best soldier and turn him into a cyborg ninja
>his merc company (under a new name) will never commit horrible war atrocities
>mass rapings, child soldiers, genocide, slavery, child porn, etc.
>also a Japanese idol's there for some reason
>>110676536
you're an idiot
special snowflake refers to tumblurites and trannies and shit that don't want to be ~sterotyped~
gary stu/mary stu means MC that is overpowered
literally they are never swapped
>>110676440
>>110676485
NO, fuck he obviously grows throuhout the show, he would be in his 40s when he's commander
And each battle isnt the same shit over and over again
>>110676485
Daily reminder 99% of anime is wish fulfillment, especially the stuff /a/ likes.
>>110676556
>COIN anime
>Set in the South African Border War
>Tension between the cute Afrikaaners and delivious brown girls
>>110676606
So you want LOGH?
>>110676606
>40s
>commander
Anon, it is very much wish fulfillment.
Mecha are perfect for fiction because they amplify the individual effect of a single person.
Real wars can do this also, through intel analysis, snipers, air support, etc; but even then it's a much more team-based activity.
>>110676372
>pumpkin scissors
>>110676571
Aside from the cyborg ninja shit you're describing Jormungand
>>110676660
>logh
its not modern warfare, and it looks ancient as fuck, but is it quality?