Now that's it's practically confirmed to be a mix of the routes, what are the chances of this not being shit?
>>108982790
Shit/10
>>108982790
In Ufotable We Trust
>>108982790
source?
> what are the chances of this not being shit?
Little.
It will be like a more polished version of the 2004 anime.
Why didn't Archer snipe every master and servant and win the war in 2 days?
>>108983307
That's something that would imply he gave a fuck about the war.
>>108983307
He didn't know where they were?
>Now that it's practically confirmed to be a mix of the routes
Good one. Regardless of what it turns out to be I'm apprehensive because of the way FSN is set up and it'll be hard to pull off a good adaption no matter how you go about it. At the very least I'll be happy to see a lot of the fight scenes done well.
>>108983307
Archer isn't very intent on winning the war, since he knows what the Grail's all about. The only thing he cares about after he gets over his memory issues is killing Shirou, but he's still following Rin's orders for the most part and doing what she wants with regards to the war.
Sakura better win man
>>108982790
>what are the chances of this not being shit?
3 split season route.
Well, is this remake going to get rid of the MC and all the awful forced romance and generic characters? Probably not, so it'll suck. Pretty animation and a sweet soundtrack can only do so much.
>>108982790
We don't even know what route it'll be based on, there's barely any confirmed information with regards to the story.
Thats some goodsourceyou have there OP
Nothing has been confirmed or even close to it. All we know is that it's gonna look nice.
>>108983828
not me.
>>108982790
>directed by the guy who did KnK6
I'm already somewhat concerned
>>1089839350/10, read the VN
>>108984143
6 was the worst KnK, but that's still miles above most other studios. Concerned isn't the right word, more like whatever word you'd use to describe sadness induced by realising something could have been so much better.
>>108983828
>Wanting worst girl to win.
>Any year.
>>108984143
I liked KnK 6 so I don't mind.
>>108984285
Disappointment would be that word, but it's not really applicable until it's actually out.
>>108983935
Shirou is amazing, post more Shirou
get hype for fate / archer
>>108984327
It was pretty good as a film if you consider it in a vacuum, but like >>108984285 said if you've read the novels it was a bit disappointing since it had the potential to be Paradox Spiral tier
>>108984331
That scene was amazing and all, but looking back, that sword doesn't look very practical even with Archer's arm.
>>108984331
Shirou is OP pls nerf
>>108982790
It will end up being like DEEN F/SN but with better animation.
It's shit.
>>108984548
lrn2 rock, paper, scissors.
>>108984578
DEEN's work wasn't that bad.
>>108984578
That's what we're all afraid of
>>108984626
It wasn't bad, it was absolute shit.
I have a really hard time thinking of any redeeming factor about it other than the OST.
>>108984548Shirou's just lucky he hasn't met Satsujinki.
>>108984285
>still miles above other studios
You mean completely ripping out the heart of a story and mashing together some drugs are bad one on top is "still miles above" others?
If ufotable does to F/SN2014 what they did with KnK6 then it'll be DEEN/Stay Night all over again with better animation.
I'd be fine with some original content, it's not like the source material is known for being well-written anyway.
>>108984578
Not even close.
F/Z did not shy away from exposition, even devoting multiple episodes on pure discussions and fleshing out characters.
They know F/SN is a big franchise. There is a bigger budget not only to animation this time around, but research. I can guarantee you they have actually gone through the VN to get an actual understanding of the characters. They have Nasu on board this time for input, who to my knowledge was not present on DEEN/Stay Night.
DEEN/Stay Night was an abomination for more than just animation, but everything. I have faith in ufotable, even with the KnK 6 director.
I believe the KnK 6 director also directed the F/Z Mother's Day episode.
>>108984327
KnK6 is objectively a terrible adaptation.
Considering that was a section in a book (linear) and this is a layered VN (definitively non-linear) I am concerned it will be awful.
>>108984963
He also directed the F/SN PSVita openings.
>>108984703
That's not even the best Satsujinki in the Nasuverse.
>>108985145
So then we're getting Shirou vs Archer with UBW on both sides in the new anime.
>>108982790
saber as main heroine and covering the redman saga and kills sakura while rin gets sloppy seconds
>>108985189
Shiki pls.
>>108985334
>>108985609
KnK7 did make for some interesting webms
I'm still excited for it. KnK 6 seemed weak in general. I think people were just too eager for more of Azaka and expected it to be amazing or something so I'm not concerned about the director atm
>>108985286
When I learned Sakura got her own path, I stopped reading the VN. I dislike her as a character that much. If she was killed off rather quickly, I'd like it.
>>108985609
>satsujinki.webm
>not even Tohno Shiki
>>108987205
Out of curiosity, have you read the KnK novels?
>mix of the routes
>good
Almost every anime that has had route mixes have been bad. What makes people think this will be good? Even the original anime was sorta route-mixed.
>>108987469
If you dislike Sakura, you might enjoy HF, I can assure you from experience. It's not a barrel of smiles for her. Just turn the audio off, unless you're a masochist.
>>108983307
>Why didn't Archer snipe every master and servant and win the war in 2 days?
1. what the other niggers said.
2. Remember what happened in FA when he tried that shit with Saber and Shirou?
>>108987469
I can't think of any logical way this isn't some terrible troll.
>>108987505
"Homicidal maniac" is how they translated satsujinki. They literally called Lio a satsujinki in Kara no Kyoukai, he's better than that wannabe Tohno.
>>108987546
The only complete translation is total shit, don't read it. It does things like translate going out into hooking up (Mikiya with Shiki) and adds a lot of bloat in general, from what I remember the last time I tried reading it.
>>108987654
>>108987654
>Implying he needed a TL note for satsujinki
>>108987654
You're right, but Tohno doesn't "wannabe" a maniac. He's too busy seducing/raping everything that moves within a 10 mile radius.
>>108987697
I think there are two (the coke one, which is probably what you mean) and the one on B-T
I read both and cross-referenced them and occasionally checked the original text since I can moonread a bit but fairly slow and laboriously
>>108987697
So for, KnK, it's much better to watch the anime, right?
So after I finish Tsukihime, I do Kagetsu Tohya, Melty Blood, KnK, and I'm done until the Tsukihime remake comes out and Mahou gets translated, right?
>>108987697
>Shit talking EB
>In reference to watching KnK6 instead
Kill yourself. cokesato is completely right and only the most hard-line literal translation wanks take issue with what he did.
>>108987825
Don't listen to that prick, the TL is fine and its a well structured novel. KnK6 however is fucking awful.
What if this anime turns out to bethe first ever good mix route adaptation?
>>108987825
Do you want to do the entire Nasuverse or just the Vampire/Shiki stuff?
Well, at least we can pretty much count on it being better than DEEN's shit.
>>108987878
>cokesato is completely right and only the most hard-line literal translation wanks take issue with what he did.
I really like his translation overall, but there are a few parts where I'd like to know his thought process behind a change since it seemed like a more literal translation would have made decent sense.
I'm excited for his Mahoyo translation, the demo was very good.
>>108987910
>Directed by Takahiro Miura
Doubtful
>>108987931
Everything but I'm on a Tsukihime high as of late.
Waiting for HA is too stressful, so I was recently going to start getting into Extra and CCC.
Throw some knowledge at me.
Rinbest girl
Sakurabest slut
UBWbest route
>>108987791
Yeah, the coke one is crap. I don't know why he added all of that nonsense. I can also moonread slowly.
>>108987878
When did I reference watching Knk 6 again? He translated it as Empty Boundary for starters, which is totally stupid.
>So it’s true then? You and the Ry?gi girl have hooked up?
Seriously? BT doesn't translate it like this, in the movie it's something like ??????, definitely more going out than hooking up. As soon as I saw that I stopped reading.
>>108988047
Wrong
Right
Wrong
>>108987999
His overall reasoning is the same as just about anyone who reads fluent moon's on Nasu's writing:
His prose are good for a writer but do not translate well when made into literal english.
>>108988046
>Fate/Stay Night Realta Nua Patch 9 VN 101.30 hrs.
>Unlimited Blade Works Anime 2hrs.
>Fate/Zero Anime 9.35hrs
>Fate/Hollow Ataraxia VN(Partially Translated)
Fate/Strange Fake LN
>Tsukihime Anime Prologue 10mins.
>Tsukihime VN 70hrs.
>Kagetsu Tohya VN 39hr.s
>Melty Blood RE-Act PC 4hrs.
>Melty Blood Actress Again PC 4hrs.
>Carnival Phantasm Anime 4.40hrs
>Fate /Prototype Preview 23mins
>Carnival Phantasm EX/SS 46 mins.
>Fate/Kaleid Anime 3.7 hrs.
>Fate/Kaleid 2wei 3rei Manga
>Kara No Kyoukai LN
>Kara No Kyoukai Anime 14hrs.
Witch on the Holy Night VN (Partially Translated)
>Fate/Extra PSP
>Fate/Extra CCC PSP (Untranslated)
>Fate /unlimited codes PSP
>Fate/tiger colosseum Upper PSP (Untranslated)
>Battle Moon Wars PC
>Tsuki No Sango LN
>Angel Notes LN
Is my suggested route and how I did it more or less. I just ran through F/HA with the 70% Beast's Lair translation and all but 3 important scenes are now in english
>>108988047
HF Climax > UBW Climax > HF Majority > UBW Majority > Fate Climax > Fate Majority
(Climax is considered the last 2 days in the war before you ask)
Overall
HF > UBW > Fate
HF > UBW >= F/Z > Fate
>>108987626
>2. Remember what happened in FA when he tried that shit with Saber and Shirou?
but he wons, many times over. shirou and saber only won because shirou remembers the entire fight. and even than, they won because luck A
Baka-Tsuki:
On a night at the beginning of August, Mikiya came by without any notice.
"Good evening. You look lazy as always, Shiki." The sudden visitor stands by the door as he gives a boring greeting with a smile.
Coke:
It is a night somewhere in the beginning of August, and Mikiya comes
by to visit without any prior notice, as per his MO. Popping open the door,
I see him standing idly in the hallway, facing the entrance like some sort of
servant-in-waiting.
“Evening, Shiki. You look as lazy as ever,” he says, with a smile on his
face. A strange greeting is just the kind of thing I expected him to do.
Coke literally just adds bloat, uses stupid abbreviations like MO, and does all sorts of stupid shit, and was bad enough at Japanese he had to ask his professor for help.
>>108988109
So Kagetsu Tohya is about half the time of Tsukihime. How does it stand up to it? I read that it has like twice the amount of choices and it's like groundhog's day, so that got me pretty hype.
>>108988079
Maybe you should read the reply chain genius:
>KnK6 was weak but okay
>Did you read the novel?
>You* sperging all over EB
>Uses the example of a 90s slang being used exactly as intended in the right timeframe
Maybe you should look up what the term "hooking up" meant back then
>>108988183
It really comes down to what you prefer in a translation. I like the way he fleshes it out, unlike the wooden-feeling BT translation. F/SN is another example of Nasu prose being translated too literally by people without a solid grasp of what makes good English writing.
>>108988236
KT sounds great on paper until you look at the flowchart and realize its a mess.
Reason: It has both re-settable *and* unre-setable flags that interact with eachother which makes it unreasonably easy to mess up and lock off small parts of the game and or be completely lost.
That said: There are some great scenes in it and many of the linear dreams are awesome
My advice: Run through it blind and then use the guide http://kiserai.net/kt.html on a new file when you even think* you're stuck (I wasted 3 hours trying to get past a blocked flag).
If you like the groundhog day setup you will like F/HA though, it takes the lessons they learned from making Kagetsu such a labyrinth.
>>108983307
why didn't Archer immediately kill Kirei with him being a Counter-Guardian and all?
>>108988420
The original Japanese is:
??????????????????????????????
???????????????????????????
??????????????????????????????
I would hardly call Coke's writing to be solid English writing, but it's not terrible. The main problem is he just adds tons of bloat and translates things completely inaccurately, liked the aforementioned "hooked up."
>>108988291
Yeah, I don't think hooked up meant dating in the 90's. Also you should only translate a slang expression to a slang expression, not something like:
???????????????????????
>>108988664
Kirei has done nothing wrong.
Why would he need to use his abilities as a counter guardian for that?
>>108988664
When he landed Archer's memory was Swiss cheese, even shortly after he notes that his memories as young Shirou are vague so he can't just act on "You might be a bad guy"
>>108988789
>When he landed Archer's memory was Swiss cheese
He was faking so as not to panic Rin.
>>108988676
>Yeah, I don't think hooked up meant dating in the 90's
>TFW I'm a 90s kid and that was exactly what it meant
We used "shacking up" back then for casual sex and "hooking up" for casual dating
Funfact: In some 90s subs they use the latter term a lot
>>108988858
former and latter*
>>108988676
I'm not saying that coke's translation is perfect. You're right that there are some unnecessary changes and other issues, but from my perspective it's significantly better than the alternative, which is the type of thing that makes Nasu's writing have a bad reputation in Western circles.
As for the whole idiom thing, I didn't grow up in an English-speaking country so the whole issue goes a bit over my head.
>>108988858
Again, ???? literally just means associating with or keeping somebody company, and is absolutely not slang the way "hooking up" is, so the best translation would be hanging out or going out. Of course this is a really small thing and I'd be fine with the translation if this was the only idiosyncrasy. But Coke translating: >>108988676
to
>>108988183
is inexcusable. In general he adds too much bloat and takes away from the original Japanese prose and language's conciseness with his stupid shit.
I'm cautiously optimistic that it will be good.
>>108989031
Guy, you are just flat out wrong about the hook up thing and its merely an issue of generational gap.
Here's wikipedia's relevant entry on the 90s slang: "Meet up, or making a connection between people"
I do however understand your problem with:
>>108988183
Nasu spends enough time musing as is so adding coke's padding is a reasonable pet peeve. But I chalk that up to taste and in my opinion: Getting stuff like picture related instead because purists want literal translations is just as bad.
>>108989342
I admit I was wrong about it. But hook up, even with the meaning of dating is still a bad translation for ????, which is less slangy. I absolutely don't want a literal translation, and hate "purists." My problem is exactly like you stated, coke's prose is horrible and he adds a lot of unnecessary content in an attempt to add style. And I wouldn't really even trust his skills as a translator enough to be assured there are no factual errors, but that would only matter if it wasn't so painful just to read his crap in the first place.
You know, I'm fine with a bit of loose translation in the name of flow.
>>108989681
But reading the original, then just rewriting it completely from memory or whatever the fuck is going on here, I'm not okay with.
>>108989681
>>108989709
Exactly, I don't know why somebody's defending him. First section of the first chapter stats:
Japanese: 1539 characters
Baka-Tsuki: 3895
Coke: 4830
By necessity, English is going to be longer because it doesn't have Kanji, but Coke adds random things, and changes details, like the fact that Mikiya threw the bag with the Haagen-Dazs. Cokesakto is just an idiot that doesn't understand suboordinate clauses very well aparently. ????????????????????????????????????????
Has Nasu declared it as unrelated shit yet, or is he still playing along for shekels?
>>108989681
>>108989709
I really don't mind this. Some of his idiomatic expressions are annoying, but overall one is significantly more readable to me than the other and doesn't even deviate all that much. It's understandable if you don't like his prose style, but it's definitely a lesser of two evils. If you're concerned about the absolute accuracy of a specific part for some reason, just go check the original.
In short, I'd rather read coke's version than either read the BT version or not read them at all. Maybe someday my moonreading will be good enough to be able to actually enjoy reading untranslated things.
>>108989963
>absolute accuracy of a specific part
I don't think any of it is very accurate, see >>108989901
he just randomly changed throwing the bag to
> He holds the bag, arm outstretched,
He also just adds details that weren't there before.
>>108989901
One word: readability
As an avid reader: The most tiresome parts of the EB translation was by and far Nasu's page long pop-psychology spiel. For one guy taking a work and giving it a flow that works in english even though its overly verbose and rough around the edges is more important to me during the actual reading of the thing.
>>108990074
I'm not disagreeing with you on any of that. All I'm saying is that I like his prose style and prefer it to the other options that are available, since my primary goal in reading it in the first place is pleasure. Accuracy is nice, but is less important to me than actually being able to enjoy reading the fucking thing.
I finally got to Tohsaka's anus. That whole scene totally blind sided me, there was no build up to it at all.
>Shirou falls asleep
>suddenly fucking Rin over a desk
>"I ejaculated about a third of my internal organs and blood"
>mfw
>>108990101
You know, a translator is supposed to give it flow and make it readable WITHOUT outright making up shit of his own. You have to change sentence structure and word things differently, but when you start adding in details and descriptions that aren't there, it becomes just fanfiction.
>>108990101
>>108990206
What gets me about this debate is that it originated from watching KnK 6 in comparison to reading the EB translation.
Whereas the differences between EB and the source are stylistic and the differences between KnK6 and the source are complete tangential ground up re-write with no heart versus good material.
Yet people insist that KnK6 is "okay" and EB is "awful"
>>108990173
Its pretty much supposed to "blind"-side you, notice how surprised Shirou is.
Also: Pay attention to eyes in that scene.
>>108990101
EB? And just looking at the first page of Coke's translation he straight up adds a detail that wasn't there in the original Japanese text in the segment I was talking about before
>Mikiya is nothing if not a multi-tasker.
>>108990134
That's fine if you don't care that you're reading Coke's fantasy and not what Nasu wrote.
>>108990101
I definitely wouldn't consider it to have good readability, but if it's readable its just because he adds lots of sentences with very little information density, which is completely the opposite of Nasu's prose which is fairly information dense.
>>108990238
I was. Rin's eyes freaked me out and killed my amusement/arousal. God what the fuck.
>>108989681
>>108989709
That isn't translation, that's a rewrite.
>>108990254
Readibility is solely about information density and efficiency.
Really think about this line:
"The white flower is being violated by the red flower."
11's dedication to practices like flower-arrangement make that a sentence that is bristling with imagery and symbolism but it flat out doesn't work in English.
To get people to understand Nasu's prose as intended requires verbosity and spatial imagery which coke provides. He does it with the grace of a high school english student but damn it he tries and that is worth praise.
>>108990298
These eyes?
>>108990391
Readability is not* solely
>>108990391
He flat out makes shit up. That's not making people "understand Nasu's prose as intended," that's writing fanfiction and billing it as translation.
>>108990173
Her lewdness is a great nightmare.
>>108990401
They seem less unsettling to me now, but when they showed up while I was reading they really creeped me out.
>>108982790
They just increased, they're fucking with already shit source material to begin with.
>>108990464
Then they did their job perfectly.
Keep playing and leave this thread.
>>108990435
There is a reason that the term translation was abandoned in the 90s for the now industry-wide term "Localization". Some things simply need to be added, subtracted and flat out replaced to draw the same ideas and illicit the same emotional response or understanding.
Does coke go overboard? Yes. But the fact remains that there are still single words in japanese that have no equivalent yet alone entire sentences.
>>108990391
>11's dedication to practices like flower-arrangement make that a sentence that is bristling with imagery and symbolism but it flat out doesn't work in English.
What does flower arrangement have to do with language? The Japanese language have nowhere near the same amount information density that Romance languages have.
>>108990539
>What does flower arrangement have to do with language?
Ask Nasu, the mere fact that you don't see any correlation completely proves my point and to illustrate how they relate to eachother in that sentence it would take and english translator a paragraph to sufficiently explain.
>>108988846
It wasn't completely faking. He really forgot his name and everything was blurry. His memories refreshed themselves when he saw Saber.
It's because Rin did indeed fuck up the summoning by doing it at the wrong hour, which is also why he wrecked her lounge.
>>108990435
To be fair, I think he wrote in his website that it wasn't really a translation but an "adaptation", and he basically just rewrote the story the way he felt.
>>108990530
You're full of shit. That wasn't localization and this isn't a matter of degrees. Coke blatantly made shit up. He invented details and descriptions that were nowhere in the original. There is absolutely no scenario where this is okay for a translator to do.
>>108990605
>Ask Nasu
If you can't explain it then you have no argument. It's just mysticism.
>>108990733
>>108990605
Nasu didn't actually write any of the sex scenes.
>>108990774
[citation needed]
>>108990694
>Masaki Hiramatsu blatantly made shit up. He invented details and descriptions that were nowhere in the original.
Sounds much more reasonable.
>>108990733
>It's just mysticism.
Hit the nail on the head (though unintentionally), eastern symbolism and mysticism with no western analog
Any way: You gentlemen and your hate-boner for cokesato have a good evening.
>>108990391
Fuck off Coke.
I don't what a fucking Pinoy faggot like you translating anything.
Go back to eating your balut.
>>108990391
>Really think about this line:
>"The white flower is being violated by the red flower."
>11's dedication to practices like flower-arrangement make that a sentence that is bristling with imagery and symbolism but it flat out doesn't work in English.
I have no idea what you're talking about. It's a powerful, simple line as it is. The context is what gives it meaning. I remember a time when writers were advised to be as succinct and precise as possible, and being awfully verbose was considered an amateur flaw. You don't need to "explain" or "localize" lines like this!
>>108988123
Swap the HF majority and UBW majority and you get mine making it UBW > HF >= F/Z > Fate overall.
I don't mind cokesakto's rewrites, the meat of the story comes out readable and at least partially intact, but I hate that he uses customized terms instead of mirror moon's accepted translations (e.g. 'Collegium' and 'Ordo' for Clock Tower and Magus Association).
So basically he gets the theme right but all the words wrong and it is just annoying for a translator to pull that.
I've been trying for years now but I just can't get into the VN. Between the fugly as hell sprites, the long drawn out writing and all the slice of life filler bullshit in between it's just so boring.
I really want to like it, I really do. But there's just so much bullshit to get through to get to the good stuff.
I dare to say F/Z I like a lot better, the characters too.
>>108991118
I'd say autism but Fate's the kind of series that autistic people actually like with all its detail and rules and very specific nonsense so I'll instead say ADHD
>>108991118
>I dare to say F/Z I like a lot better, the characters too.
That's clearly because you haven't played the whole VN
Fate/Zero excels in like 2 characters and that's it. Fate/Stay Night trumps every character
>>108982790
>mix
They just said an original route right? Why does that automatically mean they're mixing the VN routes, and not create a "4th" route?
>>108991180
Autism:
>>108991046
ADHD:
>>108991118
>>108991224
They haven't confirmed anything, OP's a fag, continue as usual.
>>108984306
But he didn't say Rin.
>>108991203
Yeah, Fate!Shirou was ass compared to UBW!/HF!Shirou.
>>108991367
Just like how Fate!Saber is a stupid bitch?
Can't I just skip Fate? I hear nothing but shitty things about it. Seems like a massive waste of time.
>>108991408
No. It has all the infodumps and every route is essential for setting up the next. People overblow it, it's mostly just average. It's not bad, but it's not stellar. It has a decent climax.
>>108991408
It has the almost all the important world building and infodumps, also one of the reasons people like the other routes is because they look so good in comparison
>>108990774
Pretty sure he outsourced the sex scenes in FHA, not FSN
>>108991408
You need to play through it to unlock UBW. And people exaggerate how bad it is by comparing it to UBW and HF, which are a lot more exciting.
Part of the problem with Fate is that it's so straight forward and simple. Only one ending to worry about, you just avoid dying by using common sense. Compared to UBW and HF, where you have to actually manage your relationships with multiple characters in order to reach one ending or another, or to avoid dying, it's pretty dull and doesn't require a lot of engagement from you.
If they took the best parts of all 3 it could actually be amazing.
Though only good part about fate was Ilya not dying.
>>108989681
>>108989709
Second one is full of bullshit, but first one is terrible too, it reads like a bad fanfic. Good LN translations never.
I want to play the fate/stay night visual novel. Which version do I play and where do I get it?
I'd actually say Fate was my favourite route, though this view may be slightly influenced by Saber being the only one of the three heroines who I didn't despise.
In terms of actual plot happening it is comparatively uneventful but it's by no means boring.
How do you pronounce Ufotable?
>>108992003
Well, in Kara no Kyoukai they say "an ufotable production" which makes me thinks its Japanese ? sound, but that seems sort of weirder than you-fote(rhymes with vote)-able.
>>108992003
????????? Y?f?t?buru
>>108992003
?????????
>>108992080
>>108992082
Confirmed that Nips have no idea how to use an and a properly.
>>108992003
You-fo-tay-bul
>>108988109
What about DDD ?
>>108988123
HF Climax > UBW Climax > UBW Majority > Fate Climax > HF Majority > Fate Majority
Up until the shroud comes off, HF was intolerable.
>>108992293
Is that even translated?
>>108987615
> turn audio off
How about no? The voice acting is very well done and to do a novel of this size shows the VAs dedication and talent.
Besides, Sakura's voice doesn't deserve the knee-jerk autism that people keep harping on about it. Her voice isn't that high (especially compared to Ilya's nasally, cracking voice all the time). She doesn't say senpai that often, and even if she did, most people turn off their notice of it because it is a a fucking honorific, and there are characters who use it more often than her in other anime.
Dunno, those reactions just seem really silly to me.
>>108991203
Not him, but I played the whole novel, unlocked everything and I still liked F/Z way better.
If anything it was F/SN which excels in like 2 characters for me. I loved Rin, Saber was good and liked Gil better than in F/Z. Everyone bored me to death and I found Shirou the most annoying and boring protagonist I have seen in a while.
>>108992481
Not him, but I'm glad I originally played FSN without the audio, because re-reading scenes I've noticed takes forever and I lose interest quickly.
Sakura's seiyuu (probably purposefully) just takes this 3 second silent pause before and after every line, and she talks so slowly that it bogs everything down immensely. Hell, I replayed the climax one day and I remember getting fucking bored because it was taking too long when the first time I read the scene I thought it was the most awesome shit ever.
Also, I think it completely ruins the Shadow, removing any and all doubt.
>>108992481
I think it was Nasu the one who said that he doesn't like when voiceless VN get voiced. That as an author he didn't write the dialogues to be voiced.
>>108992565
You didn't realize that she is supposed to be hesitant because she is one of those characters who is careful with what she says, considering she is hiding several bombshells? That and you are exaggerating, since she doesn't talk slowly all the time. That is the same argument I was making for people who call her voice too high, and forget things like Ilya's nasally voice, or Rin's screechy voice when she gets irritated, which is quite often. 'Sides, if she posed you off, then I don't know how you could stand Jouji's drawls when Kotomine monologues, which is all the f'ing time, or Archer's VA being physically unable to not roll every syllable and pause like he is waiting for a reaction from whoever he is speaking to. I like those two actors, but if you say that a character talking slowly bothered you, they are some of the worst offenders.
Sakura has a calm alluring voice that fits her character, and when she gets irritated (and this happens more than when she is dark), the edge she has to it is suitable for her calm demeanor. Obvious her voice has more lilt to it most of the time because she is talking to the guy she likes.
Hell I listened really carefully for the difference Noriko Shitaya had with her Sakura voice in FSN and CCC, and there isn't any difference between her normal tone being barely an octave lower for her normal voice.
>>108992645
And then everyone cried about Mahoyo not being voiced and wouldn't buy it and Nasu threw a bitch fit and he's probably just playing DaS2 right now with no intention of making another VN ever.
>>108992837
Mahoyo not being voiced makes it much, much more charming. The whole VN shows how much Nasu has improved, really.
What's up with the alignments in this? Gilgamesh is many things, but chaotic good isn't one of them.
>>108992828
> (probably purposefully)
I know.
And it's shit.
Every other character at least manages to keep the pace up, she bogs it down and makes it a chore to keep going.
And I sure as hell don't know about calm or alluring. The only parts where her voice acting didn't annoy me were when she's gone completely dark and doesn't give a shit and in the epilogue.
>>108992867
We've had long discussions about this. Basically, Nasu doesn't seem to know that D&D alignments are extremely absolute, and don't have space for multiple interpretations.
>>108992828
My god. When Ilya sings Lorelei, ugh, not even synced with the melody in the backround.
>>108992565
Not him but how did it ruin the surprise of the Shadow? Anyone with a brain could see she had a connection to it, but not the hows and whys. It is familiar attached to her, so people got the wrong idea anyway. It isn't her physically walking around until much later.
>>108992940
>Not him but how did it ruin the surprise of the Shadow?
Please reread my post.
>>108992898
Yeah, sorry, but I don't get that reaction, because as noted, other characters should have pissed you off as well for the same thing.
And again, that isn't nearly all the time in Sakura's case. Maybe you are just an impatient reader? I know my friend enjoys reading manga more than watching anime because of that.
>>108993056
I dunno about Kotomine, but Ilya and Archer don't elicit that reaction at least.
I feel this strongly about it because HF is the only route I've never managed to reread.
>>108992963
I did, and still don't see how that ruined the surprise, given there was more to it than that, and the mystery held true in the novel, since Sakura never came back with bloody clothes, or wet, or hurt until later, despite the Shadow being hit plenty of times.
>>108993102
>see how that ruined the surprise
No, you still missed it.
>>removing any and all doubt.
Is what I said. The surprise was irrelevant, the big thing was Shirou's and by proxy the readers doubts over the Shadow. Of course we suspected it, since it's her route and it suddenly shows up and Zouken and everything...
But the thing is, WE DON'T KNOW until it's revealed. The mystery is completely ruined, the suspense popped because there isn't any room for doubt.
>>108993094
Then congrats, you have character biases, where you ignore the same "faults" you find in one character for another. And for liking Ilya so much, you don't like the mounds and mounds of sibling scenes she has in the beginning of HF? Or Kotomine ' scenes? Sounds like another kneejerk reaction.
That's hypocrisy, but well, you're not alone in this at least. It happens a lot in character analysis in the fandom anyway
>>108992857
>The whole VN shows how much Nasu has improved, really.
Nothing at all? The non-action parts were even worse than usual.
>>108993200
That fault, which none of the others have. You(presumably you) said that Kotomine and Archer drawl out their lines and that Rin is screechy and Ilya is nasally and then compare that to what I said bothered me about Sakura, but that's not the same at all.
And where do you get off on saying that I like Ilya so much? Or even Kotomine? I will admit that Archer makes me moist, but that's sort of irrelevant here.
My bloody issue with Sakura is that at the auto-scroll speed I prefer, Sakura's lines take way longer to stop playing in comparison to other characters. SHE. BOGS. DOWN. THE. SCENES.
Nothing about her voice acting, hell, I think Noriko Shitaya is a great seiyuu and love her as Mari, Avril, Kyoko and even fucking Grail-kun.
Fuck off, m8, with your kneejerk defenses against any complaints.
>>108993200
This. It is the same reason why people miss the sibling turmoil and call Rin a good big sister in HF when she is awkward as all fuck to the point that Shirou, Rin's biggest cheerleader, calls her out on it, even if he doesn't follow through because its Shirou. Sakura was awkward too, but she did the most to try to patch the estrangement up. I like Sakura, but am willing to admit to and address her flaws, I don't see that for others in character discussions.
>>108987910
>What if this anime turns out to bethe first ever good mix route adaptation?
Tsukihime manga already took that title
No anime has since been championed though
>>108992565
She talked faster in Dark Sakura mode and in the True End, made me liking her dark side more and happy for her finally being able to talk faste- I mean, to be happy in Shirou's side. That's part of character development for her.
I think the normal HF ending is better than the true ending.
>>108993389
Again, then you missed where I pointed out that Kotomine ' monologues were the same, and went on forever time wise. Same with Archer when he spoke, if you are paying attention.
If you weren't talking about voice acting, then fine, but what still sticks is that you only seem to notice this "flaw" from one character when multiple characters have it. Zouken for instance, or Hassan as well speaking meaningfully slowly.
I never found her lines to be anywhere as slow as when Kotomine went on an explanation rant. I'm sorry that I called your reactions kneejerk, but that is what they look like, and they seem quite overblown for you to not be able to read a whole route. I dunno, I still think your reaction is a tad dramatic, but I apologize if I offended you.
>>108993630I think the UBW ending is better than any HF ending.
What's the general opinion of the Realta Nua ending for Archer/Shirou reaching Avalon?
>>108993630
Same. That walk is the most powerful scene in the novel.
>>108993548
Or the fact she "talked faster" in other portions of the VN that weren't those pretty often. Like her analysis of Rin when walking with Shirou and Rin in the Fate route.
>>108993674I liked it. Shit was touching.
Not sure what the general view is though.
>>108993682
If the VN just ended with that white screen, it'd be my favorite ending out of any VN
>>108993648
Kotomine is irrelevant since I don't care about him, but Archer I won't back down on.
The parts where he talks the most, he doesn't drawl at all, rather he's angry and spiteful, so that point is moot.
You're probably right on Zouken and Hassan, but I never even got that far that they get any meaningful monologues in HF so fuck 'em.
>>108993674
Bitch tears.
Though a lot of /a/ seems to hate it. But fuck other people's opinions.
>>108993795
>don't care about him
How's that shit taste treating you buddy?
>>108993648
Archer and Kotomine don't have those long pauses before talking, even if they do drawl out their lines.
Sakura's character trait of shyness and hesitation is overplayed with the seconds of silence before she starts talking and these exist in the actual voice files.
Either it's a fault of the voicing dude or the guy who was in charge of adding those into the vn, but I attribute the fault to her character. I keep thinking "spit it out already" at times.
>>108993674
Call me a huge faggot, but I absolutely loved it. If that was the ending of Ufotable's F/SN I'd be ecstatic.
>>108982790
Who is the main script writer? That's a rather important thing if they're going with an original route and I see no words about it here.
>>108993932
If that were true and Kajiura were doing the score I'm not sure my heart could take it.
IlikeSakura.
why didn't they just stop being edgy faglords and resolve their differences without violence
>>108994246
That's not really how wars work
It happens more in the 5th war since no one actually wants the prize there, but people were actually competing in the 4th war.
>>108994246
Because Shirou is an idiot, Saber is a Servant, Rin is a bitch, Sakura is full of worms, Ilya is a child, Kotomine is evil, and Taiga is irrelevant.
>>108994273
its just such a shame that cute girls should suffer
>>108994246
Is a person considered edgy now if they don't act like fucking Gandhi?
>>108994366
Ghandi was edgy as fuck
>>108994366
Gandhi was edgy as fuck, actually. With a dose of euphoria as well.
>>108994378
Your dick is edgy.
>>108994351
And Shinji is a rapist.
>captcha in russian
Joke's on you, captcha, I can type that.
>>108994392
its always dicks with you isn't it anon
>KnK 6 director herp derp
You people say that as if Zero's director is better.
>>108994427
I just can't get enough.
>>108994452
6 was the worst KnK movie. There's no arguing this.
>>108994452
Our F/Z baby will blunder hard with Aldnoah Zero next season.
>>108994452
It's not like anybody on /a/ knows the first thing about good direction to begin with.
>>108994401
Google knows what languages you know.
>>108994484
KnK 1 wasn't the worst and that didn't help.
>>108994501
I don't want to pretend that I do, but I thought Fate/zero had many scenes with rather tasteless direction.
>>108994495
You lost me anon
Fuck, man.
That one anon said something about Archer drawling his lines out and being boring and I thought "bullshit!" so I went and figured that the "Vs" scene had the most monologuing by Archer to check it out again.
And fuck, I had forgotten just how fucking good "Answer" was. Fuck everything, I'm going running, got Emiya loaded onto my playlist and everything.
>>108995106
>not already running to Emiya
Pleb.
>>108993630
I cried for her after knowing her past. It didn't really moved me that she had been raped/abused, but knowing that Shirou (and Taiga?) was literally the only source of light in her life, the one who re-introduced her to emotions like happiness, after being an empty monster for 10 years.
No DEEN, no deal
>>108992003
Considering the ufotable intro animation is literally a table turning into a UFO...
>>108992867
He's chaotic good in his own era. In his day you had to regularly perform heroic deeds just survive. It has nothing to do with interpretation and everything to do with perspective. He rightfully sees the lazy human populace as maggots defiling the world he was once so proud to be a part of.
>>108982790
>Now that's it's practically confirmed
Since when has anything been confirmed? They have gone out of their way to give us as little as possible.
>>108991525
>you just avoid dying by using common sense
That is the single most wrong statement to ever be said by someone on this board. Revel in that fact.
>>108992901
Nasu doesn't use straight D&D alignments, he has his own system. If you disagree with this then you're saying that Lawful/Mad is a real alignment in D&D, and you're just being bullshit.
No matter how one tries to disagree with this shit and says "Nasu doesn't know shit about anything, he doesn't know anything about D&D, this is terrible, Gilgamesh is really Chaotic Evil or at best Lawful Evil if anything" it's still accurate that Gilgamesh is Chaotic Good. Guy lists his reasons for this type choice in the data-book, people forget to factor how lawful and evil can change depending on the age and the laws of that custom, and despite what people believe about him he's far more accomidating in his true form and is a true hero, even if he's kind of an asshole.
It's confirmed that the basement orphans was entirely a Kirei thing, it's confirmed that Gilgamesh in between the war was in Ko-Gil mode and didn't requite mana from them at all. Although at his core he's not someone who worries about protecting one person or one city to begin with, but rather humanity in it's entirety. I mean he's not someone who will often fret much about a single life, but that in itself isn't direct evil in his custom. He won't typically kill for selfish reasons; it's usually either if someone has made themselves his enemy or if they have become an abomination, but for him a life is something that's either lost sooner or later.
It's an explanation and a half for his motives; the data-book and CCC explains it a hell of a lot better than I'm going to bother two here, but people just don't tend to get this guy. The standards for good back then were quite difference; Hercules was a rapist and murderer, but he's treated as a true golden hero just the same, yet people don't throw much of a fit. Heroes back then could be assholes and kill at random like Alexander, yet they still did "good", that doesn't mean they were automatically filtered into Evil alignment like a comic book.
>>108997450
It is so wrong I read it as "you avoid common sense."
>>108982790
>Now that's it's practically confirmed....
Source?
>His alignment is Chaotic Good.
>A cold-blooded tyrant, and a hero who had sought and enjoyed all manners of treasures and pleasures.
>Though capricious and temperamental, he does not (generally) kill someone simply because he is in a foul temper.
>When he kills a person, it is either because that someone’s soul is abominable, or because that person has become an enemy of his.
>King and sentencer who weighs both good and evil equally.
>To him, a life is only “that which will die this moment” or “that which will one day die.”
>A being who is recognized by Gilgamesh as “a life that must die this moment” will be slain, even if a sage.
>“So in the end it has nothing to do with rules or conditions and just depends on what he feels like that day?!”
>This kind of reaction is understandable, but that is what a king is.
>Whether astute judgment synonymous to the truth of the universe,
>or misrule during a drunken stupor,
>if he is the one to implement it, it would become the indisputable adjudication of the king.
>Such is the absolute sovereign.
>Though some see him as similar to Iskandar in their egocentricity, the greatest difference between the two is that Gilgamesh has no need of vassals.
>Gilgamesh is a king who, from start to end, reigns by means of only “himself.” What he loves are “treasures” and “tools,” while a “person” is no more than that which must one day perish.
>……No matter how worthy of love he may acknowledge that to be.
>Considering CCC’s themes, women’s issues can’t be avoided. Gil’s type is a “noble maiden.” (Ko-Gil’s is a “wildflower.”)
>He dislikes women who are dependent on men and yet would make use of men. In other words, he dislikes “womanlike” women.
>>108991805
Grab the realta nua patch 9 version.
Just search for "fuwanovel fate stay night" andd you'll find the torrent.
>>108992293
>Actress pauses to symbolize the timid nature of the character
>THIS FUCKING VA IS SHIT FUCK THE WHOLE VN
Autists, not even once I swear.
>>108992293
>Series that are not currently known to share the same elements as those above:
CANAAN
DDD
Fire Girl
The Room of the April Witch
Girls' Work
>We don't know if DDD is inclusive of the nasuverse in any meaningful way
>>108997597
>he dislikes “womanlike” women
So that's why he always seems to prefer trap types... (Saber, Enkidu, (Fe)MC)
>>108999318
Not trap types, as much as competent types who will hold by their own merit
Enkidu has no gender, but he also has both.
>>108992397
Part of it is translated:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/15935578/J-the-E
There's also some pretty horrible Japanese=>Russian=>broken English translations. Decent translation of the rest never.
>>108993229
The non-action parts were vastly superior. Your taste is just terrible.
>>108997450
I never got why people bitch about that choice.
It sure seems like a good idea to turn your back to the giant killing machine coming after you and abandon your only hope of survival, huh?
Gee I wonder why that doesn't work out?
Its going to be total shit.
>>108997450
>Saber route
>Choosing to run away with another heroine
How fucking retarded can you be?
It's time to settle this heated debate, best heroine?
http://strawpoll.me/1938943/r
>>109006265
Seiba best girl
Seiba best servant
Everybody praise Seiba
>>109006265
>http://strawpoll.me/1938943/r
Shame.
It's Heroine, so it disqualifies all men.
Therefore I can't offer best hero the recognition he deserves.
>>109002662
>>109005457
>Defending this choice as "common sense"
>Insisting F/SN isn't full of a bunch of random dead ends
They literally tell you in the dojo that to advance in the early stages you have to make boneheaded self-sacrificial moves
>>109009591
Ilya also has a tank in the dojo.
You shouldn't take jokes literally anon.
>>109009796
>Shirou's canon choices
>at all consistent with the sane conduct of how to survive and win a war
>>109010083
>Abandoning your only hope for survival and showing your back to your opponent,
>Logical
lol secondaries
>>109010178
>Throwing yourself, as a squishy human, in the way of a merciless three meter monstrosity with a blade bigger than yourself, after it has been well established that the only person who could do anything to harm it has just been taken down
>Logical
What is going on???
Caster & Rider are already dead, and it just happened in like 2 consecutive days. I thought they played a crucial role considering how the OP showed them. Isn't HF the best route, this just feels rushed.
>>109010427
>Isn't HF the best route,
No.
>>109010427
You know nothing of what's yet to come.
>>109010381
Trying to save Saber is gamble with low odds.
Fleeing from Berserker and letting Saber die is certain death.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out what's the best choice.
>>108982790
Didn't everyone hate the old anime just for doing that exact same thing?
>>109010654
People hate it because it tried to do that and failed miserably at mixing the routes in a non-retarded way.
>>109010654
>but muh ufotable
It will be shit and Ill laugh at these filthy secondaries
>>109010654
Well, no.
everyone hated it because it was shit. The fact that they didn't pull it off and mangled the routes contributed to that.
>>109010427
Caster got plenty of spotlight in UBW, her time is over.
>>109010427
HF is the route where they break everything down.
>>109010570
>Trying to save Saber is gamble with low odds.
Low odds?
As I recall, Shirou got fucking bisected.
If it weren't for both the miracles of having Avalon dickery (which, at that point, you had no way of knowing about) and Illya calling off Berserker (which was impossible to predict) then Shirou's Holy Grail War would have died right there along with him.
By contrast, if you ran, Berserker may have finished Saber off first. That'd buy you a second or two. If Rin then called out Archer, wounded or no, that'd would have bought even more time. It'd be ludicrously costly, and probably still not allow you to escape without obscene luck, but that's what happens when an end-game tier boss drops on you on Day Fucking 1.
But, you're right. It doesn't take a genius, given what we knew at that point in the VN, to figure out running is the best choice. A choice which relies on absurd amounts of luck is better than one which requires deus ex machinas to avoid suicide.
>>109010512
>You know nothing of what's yet to come.
Well, I'll give you that. It completely took me off guard.
Does anyone have the Fate/Stay Night copypasta that give you the piratebay link?
Need to give it to a friend before he becomes a secondary
>>109011083
>>109011083
>implying you won't kill his interest with the franchise by exposing him to Emiya "the Jackhammer" Shirou
>>109011115
>>109011138
Thank youthe jackhammer is part of the experience
This anime will be worse than the first.
>>109011249
I'm not so sure that that's possible.
